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#593 of 669 Re: GM battery problems [larsb]
Jun 02, 2008 (4:40 pm)
Remember the Prius had leaky battery terminals that had to be recalled. It all has to do with rushing into the hybrid hysteria to LOOK GREEN.
Toyota says its out-of-warranty battery replacement rate is 0.003 percent on the second generation Prius that debuted in the 2004 model year.
And of those 2nd gen Prii sold how many batteries are out of warranty. That is a typical Toyota play on words. I would be surprised if 5% of the Prius sold are past 100,000 miles, the normal warranty. None have reached the 8-10 year. The oldest gen 2 Prius is not 5 years old yet. If Toyota wanted to be honest with their customers they would say how many batteries they have repaired or replaced in or out of warranty. They are too slick to do that. It would cause a panic in the hybrid market.
#594 of 669 Re: The best hybrid battery longevity article I have ever read [larsb]
Jun 02, 2008 (4:59 pm)
That's very subjective, and depends on the comparison and the area of the country. I can compare a 2004 HCH hybrid versus the most comparable EX and the HCH comes out with a higher resale value.
Again, it was stated in your link with half truths about hybrid batteries. I can attest to the fact that a GMC hybrid PU had very good resale. I only lost about $3000 owning it for 2 years. Not great in my book but I did get rid of it before anything quit working.
#595 of 669 Re: GM battery problems [gagrice]
Jun 03, 2008 (5:07 am)
After all you really know, to keep saying 'Yota only "looks green" is getting kind of tired Gary. You know better.
Some people buy Priuses for business travel and put 35K miles on it a year. Someone who bought one outside a CARB state could be out of warranty in 3 years easy.
And your definition of "being honest with it's customers" flies in the face of the reality of marketing. As a manufacturer, you don't EVER intentionally point out things you have done wrong or problems that your vehicles have had. From a marketing standpoint, that's just a Big Ole DUH.
#596 of 669 Re: The best hybrid battery longevity article I have ever read [gagrice]
Jun 03, 2008 (5:09 am)
Again, that was one example of what can be thousands. My EDUCATED guess is that in most areas of the country, especially the large city markets, hybrids are holding their value better than comparable gas-only versions. I know that's true in Phoenix because I KBBed it.
And can you point out a "half-truth" in that article for me? I missed them I guess......
#597 of 669 Re: GM battery problems [larsb]
Jun 03, 2008 (5:27 am)
A friend to whom I've sold two, a Gen 1 and a Gen 2, this week will cross 200,000 miles since January 2004. He posts here occasionally as 'Carbot'. He will hit 250,000+ before the Gen 3s arrive next summer. I'll await his 'official' report.
76,000+ miles in 30 mo's and running strong here.
Resales? Real life situation. With the Prius being sold out across the country again, for the 4 time out of the 6 yrs it's been out, two people this week asked me if I wanted to sell them my 2005 with 76000 miles ( but then what would I drive 150 mi / day? ). At $18000 they said no...but at $16000 they both were interested in the 3 y.o. standard model with 5 yrs of mileage in it.
#598 of 669 Re: The best hybrid battery longevity article I have ever read [larsb]
Jun 03, 2008 (12:52 pm)
And can you point out a "half-truth" in that article for me? I missed them I guess..
Only pointing out the one in every hundred batteries replaced on out of warranty Prius. How many were out of warranty? Those figures are all so easily twisted to look good. Unless we know how many of the batteries have been replaced total we know very little about the reliability of the batteries. How many after 5000 miles or 30k miles. Like you say it would be crazy for Toyota to be honest about failures until they are forced to by a recall.
#599 of 669 Re: GM battery problems [kdhspyder]
Jun 03, 2008 (12:56 pm)
Those figures are from those that are wasting our limited natural resources.
Not the average driver. If the 15k mile average carries over to the Prius, most owners are not close to being out of warranty on the battery. The oldest 2nd gen Prius is just past 4 years and 8 months. If I remember correctly they were in very short supply for the first couple years. So most of the Prius on the road today are under 2 years and 30K miles.
#600 of 669 Re: The best hybrid battery longevity article I have ever read [gagrice]
Jun 03, 2008 (1:36 pm)
Gary says, "Unless we know how many of the batteries have been replaced total we know very little about the reliability of the batteries. How many after 5000 miles or 30k miles?
I'd have to say, and so would YOU, since you frequent these forums, that if there were a lot of them being replaced with that mileage, WE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT !!
The owners would be posting that in the forums, reporting it to news agencies, and to NTHSA on their complaint website. I'm going right now to look at complaints about battery replacements by owners and I will post again when I have data.
#601 of 669 Nothing found yet.
Jun 03, 2008 (1:57 pm)
No one at NHTSA complaint site mentioned a failed battery under warranty at 5000 miles or 30K miles.
Also looking at the Prius area in this forum - none so far, other than one lady who says 'Yota told her she "jump started it wrong" and made her pay $4800 for a replacement. I doubt we have the whole story on that one.
#602 of 669 Re: Nothing found yet. [larsb]
Jun 03, 2008 (4:27 pm)
No one at NHTSA complaint site mentioned a failed battery under warranty at 5000 miles or 30K miles
I am assuming there were no failed batteries on NHTSA at any mileage from your post. Those were just numbers. Though from what I have read on the ODI site. Most of the complaints are when they did not get satisfaction from the dealer and or manufacturer. An owner would have no reason to complain if he was experiencing trouble with his hybrid and went in and the dealer fixed the problem. How would they know if a battery was replaced? Unless they reset the computer and sent them on their way, as so often happens. We shall see how well the Hybrid batteries age as time goes by.........