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Re: Prius Research [larsb] by gagrice
Nov 29, 2004 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 29, 2004 1:57 pm)

Your hypothesis that the "battery issue" is resale price killer is based on what evidence, other that your assumption?
 
I based my thinking on the fact that Edmund's says a dealer should get $18k for a 2002 Prius with 100k miles. Yet we have a Toyota dealer with a 2002 Prius that he claims is in excellent condition that is selling on Ebay for less than 1/2 of what the Edmund's TMV says it should sell for. Either the Toyota dealer is lying about the condition. Or no one is interested in a 2 year old Prius with 100k miles on it. Which means that the TMV for that car is way below what Edmund's is claiming it should be. If I was looking to buy a car that had unknown reliability in the form of a battery that may cost $5000 or more to replace. Plus many other very expensive components. Remember one poster had over $15k worth of warranty work on his Prius. I believe it is the unknown that will drive the hybrids resale down until they have a history to back up the hype.
 
By contrast there is a 1999 Jetta TDI with 202k miles that is up to $4600 that is close to the Edmund's value for that car.
 
If people are not afraid of the battery why hasn't that dealer in DC sold that Prius? I think time will prove they do not hold their value as well as people are trying to prove on this Forum.
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Re: Prius Research [gagrice] by falconone
Nov 29, 2004 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2004 4:33 pm)

I don't lend much credence to eBay pricing. Let's face it, the just had a $28,000 cheese sandwich auctioned not too long ago (with the virgin mary's face).
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Re: Prius Research [falconone] by gagrice
Nov 29, 2004 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: falconone (Nov 29, 2004 5:12 pm)

That don't say much for all the Prius they have on there. None of them are worth as much as a cheese sandwich.....
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OFF-TOPIC by Sylvia STAFF
Nov 29, 2004 (5:46 pm)
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All of these posts are "Prius Research" and have zip to do with batteries. Take it to another discussion (maybe the Prius?), but stop posting about it in here.
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Re: OFF-TOPIC [Sylvia] by gagrice
Nov 29, 2004 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Nov 29, 2004 5:46 pm)

OK,
I don't know how that happens, it just does.
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Re: Prius Research [gagrice] by zodiac2004
Nov 30, 2004 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2004 4:33 pm)

High mileage TDIs routinely sell for more than book. Due the way diesels work, a 99 TDI with 80K miles isn't much better than a 99 with 200K miles.
In fact some would argue the 200K mile one is better because it's more likely to be highway miles.
If it has proper maintenance records, I wouldn't hesitate 2 seconds before buying the 200K TDI at 4600.
 
Hybrids can't even hope to achieve those lofty levels of resale. At best they can try to compete with similar gas cars. A HCH would do very well to achieve the resale percentages of normal Civics.
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Re: Prius Research [zodiac2004] by falconone
Dec 01, 2004 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: zodiac2004 (Nov 30, 2004 11:56 am)

I wouldn't touch a high mileage car like that. My friend has a diesel with high mileage and though it is reliable, it's VERY expensive to maintain.
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Re: Prius Research [falconone] by zodiac2004
Dec 01, 2004 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: falconone (Dec 01, 2004 8:14 am)

wouldn't touch a high mileage car like that. My friend has a diesel with high mileage and though it is reliable, it's VERY expensive to maintain
 
Would you rather own a high mileage gas car ?
Some specific information about make and model and what kind of maintenance your friend does may help in this discussion.
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Re: Prius Research [zodiac2004] by rfruth
Dec 01, 2004 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: zodiac2004 (Dec 01, 2004 11:38 am)

I'd rather not have a high mileage anything cause with more miles (& years) you tend to have more problems, don't get me wrong I'm not made of money but after 7 or 8 years I like to sell mine and move on, the traction battery is one of those things I don't want to mess with, same for piston rings, valve jobs etc.
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Battery Charge / Yield by yerth10
Dec 02, 2004 (1:08 pm)
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If we charge a 100 KW battery for 1 hour, then
100 KWH is stored in the battery.
 
If we start drawing the power after a day, how
much power will the battery yield.
Will it be 100 KWH, 90 KWH or even lower.
 
Any comment.

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