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#4322 of 4548 Failure of the audio system a common LR problem
Sep 16, 2007 (8:47 pm)
I recently bought an LR3, now with 700 miles on it. I took possession of the vehicle 47 days ago and it has now spent 16 days in the shop with the count rising since it is there again. It has had the navigation system, audio system, voice system fail on me 3 times, plus it failed once at the dealership after "repair" when they called me to pick up the LR3, and then had to call me back and tell me not to come yet as it failed again. The dealer says they re-booted and upgraded the software twice.
Similarly, the last loaner vehicle was a 2007 LR3 with 7700 miles on it. During the days I drove it the audio system failed totally for a day, then the LED panel started working again but there was no sound for a day, and finally it started working correctly spontaneously. Thus, the 2 LR3's that I have spent more than a day in have both failed. A dismal record, and it appears from your posting that this problem is epidemic in Land Rover. I have reviewed the Arizona "Lemon Law" statutes which allow the dealer 4 attempts to repair the problem, or 30 days out of service over 2 years. I am counting both and will use this law when either trigger is reached. I have been extremely disappointed in Land Rover quality. When people ask me how I like my new car, I tell them it is a piece of sh*t.
As one last aside, the loaner LR3 with 7700 miles on it was leaking oil onto my garage floor. This suggests a separate indictment of poor quality by either Land Rover or the dealer's service department. A vehicle that new should not leak oil.
#4323 of 4548 Re: Failure of the audio system a common LR problem [lr3sucks]
Sep 17, 2007 (5:09 am)
The LR2 and LR3 use completely different audio and navigation systems. Alpine makes the audio system for the LR2 and Harmon/Kardon makes the audio system for the LR3.
You got a bad car it can happen to anyone. I have dozens of customers in LR3s who have never had ANY ISSUES AT ALL with their cars. I have many, many more that have had minor problems but are still very satisfied with the vehicle. I have never had a lemon lawed or buy back LR3 that was one of my customers although my dealership has had two buy back LR3s in the three years LR3s have been on sale. Neither of those were lemon law vehicles however as their is a difference between lemon law and buy back proceedings.
Consult the lemon law in your state and see what your options are.
#4324 of 4548 Re: Failure of the audio system a common LR problem [lr3sucks]
Sep 17, 2007 (8:54 am)
Unless I'm blind, this is the LR2 forum and this post should have been put over here
#4325 of 4548 Tire pressure question
Sep 17, 2007 (8:16 pm)
I acquired a new LR3 in August. Near the end of the month I was preparing to go on a trip and checked the tire pressure for the first time assuming (perhaps foolishly) that the dealer would prepare the car to Land Rover specification. The manual states the rear tires should be 42 psi and the front tires 33psi. I found the rear tires to be 45 & 47 psi and the front tires 42 psi each. Since my LR3 has been in the shop 3 times in the last three weeks for failures of the audio, navigation, and voices systems I had opportunity to ask about the tire presure and why the front tire pressure was much higher than the Land Rover specifications. The service cordinator told me they had found that if the pressure got below 38 psi the Low Tire Pressure Alarm would would be set off. I asked why this Alarm would go off at 5 psi above the Land Rover specification for front tires. He told me it had to do with the high temperatures in Arizona. It seems to me the correct fix is to adjust the sensors on the Low Tire Pressure Alarm, not over-inflate the tire. Does over-inflating the tires due to Arizona temperature make sense to anyone? What are the implications for tire wear in this setting? Has anyone else been told that the Low Preeure Alarm goes off at pressures above Land Rovers specified tire pressures?
#4326 of 4548 Re: Tire pressure question [lr3sucks]
Sep 17, 2007 (9:06 pm)
Does over-inflating the tires due to Arizona temperature make sense to anyone?
Not to me. Higher temperature simply means that fewer air molecules need to be in the tire to achieve a given pressure. Overpressurization is overpressurization whether at 100° or 10°.
Higher ambient temperatures will also impede cooling of the tires while driving. The hotter temperatures in Arizona will thereby cause the pressure in those those overinflated tires to increase even more than in cold climates.
But the flip side also matters. Underinflation can cause tires to wear out faster due to increased frictional heating (internally and externally).
I would go with the recommendations stated in the manual.
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#4327 of 4548 My 2006 LR3 HSE
Sep 22, 2007 (8:26 am)
It has been a while since I've posted. My 2006 LR3 has 16,300 miles now with 21 months of ownership. Everything has been great, no problems.
I had Land Rover replace the rear view mirror. The buttons started to flake so LR replace the whole mirror. I like the new one a lot better as the garage buttons are on the bottom, not on the front of the mirror.
I'm very pleased to report that my LR has NO rock chips, NOT ONE! My previous Jeep Grand Cherokee's and Mercedes ML500 had them, especially the ML. My current Mercedes E430 sport has a lot of them.
Either I've been extremely lucky or LR has a better paint process or something (I certainly don't want to jinx it!)
My tires are wearing evening although they are making more noise than when they were new (not a problem so far). I'm very pleased as it has been smooth sailing.
lrsucks... sorry to hear about your new LR3, these are comfortable vehicles with plenty of power (I have the V-8) but when they are not working correctly, it can be frustrating.
#4328 of 4548 Re: My 2006 LR3 HSE [mark156]
Sep 22, 2007 (10:16 am)
It has been a while since I have posted on these pages. I am closing up on 12months of trouble free ownership and 28,000kms driving pleasure.
The only minor problems I experience with my 2007 LR3 HSE were as follows:
-Condensation in headlamps promptly replaced
-Vibration in passenger door front panel around speakers fixed
Took several long trips with the LR3 with kids and lots of luggage. Drove 14 hours straight once and the driving position and seat were both very comfortable. Yes the LR3 will never be known for its acceleration but the V8 provides plenty of power in all driving conditions including passing
I am also sorry to hear about lr3sucks poor experience. The dealership here in Ottawa is excellent. SO far this is turning out to be one of the better ownership experience
The only frustrating part was arguing with the voice recognition system because of my French accent but I was able to work around it. Love the awesome sound system, Nav and bluetooth integration.
My next vehicle will be either an LR3 or I might step up to the RRS HSE
#4329 of 4548 Re: Tire pressure question [tidester]
Sep 22, 2007 (10:30 am)
I agree with tidester. I'm also an Arizona owner (bought my LR3 from LR North Scottsdale, like you). On road, you should maintain cold pressure at the PSI indicated on the door panel. While you drive, heat build-up in the tire will increase pressure by at least 4 PSI.
I don't know why dealer service tends to over-inflate--my vehicle was delivered almost 10 PSI over in each wheel. While it may give a more precise feel while you're turning, it's not good for the tires over-all.
If you go off-roard and drive in sand or over rocky cobbles, decreasing cold inflation by 5-10 PSI can enhance grip and protect tires somewhat against damage. If you do any amount of off-road driving, carry a portable air compressor with you to adjust inflation on the road.
#4330 of 4548 My LR3 Update/Review
Sep 26, 2007 (1:46 pm)
We acquired our Chawton White LR3 in December of '04. This week, our 2005 SE7 V8 goes over 50,000 miles, so here is my update for drivers of lower mileage LR3s or those considering them.
To date, I would rate this truck a A- or B+. It has been very good but not perfect.
Issues: gas tank recall, battery died early, Goodyear tire life was very poor (rotation can extend tire to 22-25k maybe), low coolant sensor replaced, gas tank door latch replaced, few other minor items.
Enjoyment: Easily one of the most fun SUVs I've ever driven. It's a blast to drive this thing, even after all this time. Ours is normally used for suburban treks but I recently had the chance to really push the capabilities at a friend's farm. The LR3 took on trails that previously had been the domain of 4 wheelers only. It was unstoppable. There's something great about 4wheeling in air conditioned comfort in your massive luxo-SUV when it's 100 degrees out! This truck continue to turn heads and gets attention like something that costs twice as much. Hell, many Denalis and Expeditions sticker for more than this rig, but none have the "wow" factor because there just aren't very many LR3s on the road. Just put a new set of Toyo's on and highly recommend them.
Would I do it again?: My answer is a qualified YES. It's been a really fun truck and even though some have had problems, ours has been pretty reliable. My qualified answer is because it's a very expensive car to own and drive. If you're bothered by issues of value, don't get an LR3. If you can rationalize dropping $1,200 on tires every 18-24 months or $1,400 brake jobs at the LR dealer because you're driving something that few others have, then get one, you won't be sorry.
#4331 of 4548 Re: Thanks for the info. Some questions & comments [grendalfly]
Sep 30, 2007 (1:03 pm)
I CAN'T GET IT YET ( AND SO MY LR DEALER).
DOES THE LAZY ENTRY MODE MOVES THE SEAT BACK UPON TAKING IT OUT OF IGNITION AND FORWARD WHEN INSERTED?
HOW DO YOU PROGRAM IT????