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Land Rover LR3, SUV
#3070 of 4548 Re: LR3 vs. GX470 [jalt]
Dec 29, 2005 (7:38 am)
jalt, I can tell you right now that the Lexus was not in the running for me when I was looking for an SUV.
First, I can not deal with that big swing-out backwards back door. If you are in your garage, you cannot open it unless your garage is deep. The perfect thing about the split tailgate configuration is that you can open both with the LR3 because the don't need much room. If you park the Lexus parallel on the street and you need to get in the back of the Lexus, hopefully, the car behind you didn't park too close. If you don't have enough room to open that big door you are stuck because if I'm not mistaken, the glass doesn't open. Even if you had a little room to open the door, someone might have to hold it so that it doesn't get caught in the wind or try to close on you.
Secondly, I had the side-hanging seats in my 2002 Mercedes ML500 and they really do take up a lot of room. With the LR3 you can have a third seat AND a rear cover (could not have both with the Mercedes). When I do need to carry more than 5 people, I want a seat they can sit in and be comfortable. I didn't get that feeling with the Lexus.
Granted, the LR3 might have some reliability issues but there are some very good ones. My brother has a 2003 Land Rover Discovery II and has almost 40,000 miles and no trouble at all. I'm hoping that I have the same luck.
Happy motoring! Mark156
#3071 of 4548 Re: $1500 promo offer from LR [british_rover]
Dec 29, 2005 (8:50 am)
I thought X-plan normally invalidates other promo offers. Of course, the dealer could give you something "close" to X-plan... so you can use the promo.
#3072 of 4548 Re: Mark123 [mark156]
Dec 29, 2005 (8:53 am)
I have the hard mud flaps and like them. Even doing some hard off-road, I have yet to break one. I'm sure the adjustable suspension and great articulation helps. If was was doing hardcore off-road all the time, I probably would take them off.
#3073 of 4548 Re: LR3 vs. GX470 [jalt]
Dec 29, 2005 (9:28 am)
jalt, as always... any online forum is not a good cross-section of owners to decide "reliability" on. If your key buying requirement is "reliability" and you demand arse-kissing "customer service", it would be best to look elsewhere. I've personally had no significant problems with LR3 in a year, but there is no way I'm expecting top 10 statistical reliability from Land Rover on a brand new platform.
You also need to figure out what you really "need" -- I've driven the GX470 off-road, and it's probably the closest competitor to LR3. But I'm personally no fan of "Lexus style" and their idea of luxury. As many people have said, the right swinging rear door is a bad design... and, as with almost any vehicle of this size, the 3rd row is dreadful.
For a general use SUV, I'd probably buy the better executed '06 Explorer over the GX, even though that rates low on the waste-money-because-you-can scale. There are also many other vehicle options if hardcore off-road is not necessary.
Anyway, remember to browse the GX forum and get feedback there.
#3074 of 4548 Re: LR3 vs. GX470 [jalt]
Dec 29, 2005 (10:04 am)
I went from the GX470 to the LR3HSE7 and after a year and 24,000 miles plus I can say the LR3 wins hands down.
Lexus were good enough to buy back my GX470 after they could not cure the vibration problems at 65mph.
The other big problem I found with the GX470 is the rear door opening. You get in carpark with someone close and you have to pull forward to allow the rear door to open?
The seats in the GX470 are more comfortable though! But forget their 3rd row compared to the LR3
#3075 of 4548 Re: Sudden Decrease in Fuel Economy [michaelwillems]
Dec 29, 2005 (10:11 am)
You made me check my average speed (it was zeroed at the start of the trip from St Augustine) and it was 56mph for the whole trip. I came through torrential rain, sleet & snow going through the mountains in SC and VA.
I mostly drive with the traffic unless my radar detector is buzzing!
#3076 of 4548 Re: tow hitch and mudguards [british_rover]
Dec 29, 2005 (10:26 am)
no, i asked just for the hitch, and i also mentioned that i need it for the bike rack...
#3077 of 4548 Re: Sudden Decrease in Fuel Economy [johnmajor]
Dec 29, 2005 (1:23 pm)
I had just asked about my fuel economy suddenly changing. Thanks for reminding me about tire pressure!
LR had lowered it yet again at the 15,000 mile service. I always keep it filled to max suggested pressure. They lower it to improve ride (at the expense of fuel economy).
#3078 of 4548 Re: $1500 promo offer from LR [grommet]
Dec 29, 2005 (2:28 pm)
It may or may not you need to read all the stipulations on the back of the mailer to see. We hate all the X, S, A and whatever plan because the people that have them are a lot of times jerks although not always and they usually just assume they can get that price on any car.
I had one guy asking why he could not use his X plan on a SC Sport or Range and I told him because we will not honor the X plan. He gets all huffy and border line whiny about it. I am sorry sir these cars are sold for MSRP only and presently there is a wating list for both of them.
#3079 of 4548 My Fears Realized Day 2 of Ownership
Dec 30, 2005 (7:08 am)
After a good 60 days of due diligence and test driving many vehicles, I took delivery of an 06 HSE the evening before Thanksgiving (with many concerns but the LR3 was my wife's choice so that's the vehicle we got...I mean I even let her pick the color). As I remained concerned about the many problems I read about here and was not convinced that the resale would be much better on this vehicle than other LRs, I looked at the 58% residual and 5.1% APR equivalent in the US Bank 12K miles/year program and decided to lease for 36 months.
On Thanksgiving I went to take one of my brothers for a drive and was welcomed with a "parking brake fault" warning on the info display, a solid red and flashing amber warning light on the dash. A combination of a full schedule, never using the parking brake and a conversation with our salesman did not prompt any sense of urgency, I did not get the vehicle in for service until this week. As if the 1 hour wait to get my rental dodge stratus (never thought to ask what type of loaner cars they give during service) to drive for the day wasn't bad enough, I returned at the end of the day after no phone follow-up from the service writer (even after I left him a voicemail) to be a new module needed to be ordered, due to the New Years holiday it would take several days to receive from the east coast, and that the whole braking system and all four hubs had to be taken off the car resulting in two days of work after they receive the parts. The service guide told me a week to 10 days would be realistic to get my vehicle back. Without my asking they did set me up with a 06 LR3 SE7 to use until my vehicle is repaired.
This is the first SUV I have owned after 4 years with a Volvo XC70 for our family vehicle. Trying to ignore the repair issue, here are my short term impressions: Fit and finish is excellent, visibility is good, ride a bit harsh for my tastes, front seats very average compared to the volvo and my CLK...seat bottoms are way too short and I am only 5'10".. cannot see memory seat settings with door closed, V8 engine acts well and inspires confidence drving such a heavy vehicle, Logic7 stereo is ok but not audiophile quality, navigation is excellent for our needs so far, placement of clock and radio station display very poor as you must take your eyes off of the road to check the time, rain sensing wipers apear to be more speed sensitive than moisture sensitive causing wipers to be controlled manually using mist setting at high speeds as they run too often no matter what the sensitivity setting, storage is great, tailgate works as advertised...popped gate down..put window back down ..jumped up on tailgate to hoist 8ft xmas tree on top of vehicle.
This is my wife's vehicle, she loves it as she is good at seeing the positives and forgetting the negatives (she did marry me!), but as i told the salesman when he asked "did they get that taken care of" when he saw me talking to the service guide...only 35 more months to go!!
I will post follow-up of the outcome.