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Land Rover LR3, SUV
#287 of 4548 Re: LR3 vs. other 7 seat SUVs [habitat1]
Nov 30, 2004 (8:02 am)
Thanks for the encouraging words that the LR3 should at least be better than the M-class.
A neighbor of mine has an Acura and has a number of complaints and problems with the quality of their MDX. Even my Lexus LS430 just had a recall where they replaced the transmission (and their quality ratings across the board are excellent). I think any vehicle you get is likely to have some problems.
But, if reliability is a key concern, I would think the Acura would be less risky than the LR3. Size-wise, the Acura is still a little on the small side if you need to use all 7 seats (about the same as the M-class). Their fold flat configuration is much better than the M-class.
Perhaps is all the glass in the LR3, but the inside just seems much larger.
One problem we have is with transporting kids to school. By the time they put their full backpacks in the second row, along with any musical instruments, they really cannot fit into the M-class. We actually took the backpacks and instrument cases to the Land-Rover dealer and stuffed them all into the second row - and there was still room for the kids!
Of course, we moved the front passenger seat up quite a bit, but that seat isn't really used when the kids go to school.
We too have a tough call between the MDX and the LR3. Since there wasn't much improved on the 2005 model MDX, we priced out a loaded 2004. The price difference is substantial between the 2004 MDX and the 2005 LR3 (I know I'm comparing a 6 vs. 8 cylinder).
In the end, we decided a MDX is just a better configured M-class and opted for the LR3. We may end up leasing the LR3 for 2 to 3 years to minimize the downside of it being a lemon. If it turns out as well as we suspect, then we'd buy it at the end of the lease.
Good luck on your purchase. I think that you have the "best" 2 choices out there for a good 7 seat SUV. In our case, the added space of the LR3 ended up tipping the scales in its favor.
#288 of 4548 Just picked up our 2005 LR3 SE
Nov 30, 2004 (6:30 pm)
Just picked up our LR3 SE after shopping the MDX, XC90 and GX470. So far we could not be happier. People continue to stop and ask "what is that" and all have positive things to say. Smooth and quiet. Just the ultimate mid size 7 seater. Not even close if you compare all the features for the price. If you don't need the NAV get the SE. Dealer is more likely to work with you on price.
#289 of 4548 Re: Just picked up our 2005 LR3 SE [philly]
Nov 30, 2004 (8:35 pm)
What kind of price did you get and please post your gas mileage after you have re-filled a couple of times.
My wife appears ready to rule out the GX due to the third trow configuration. The LR3 is the best, but the MDX is acceptable. Besides reliability, fuel efficiency is a bit of a concern. Friends with a Range Rover just confirmed that they have averaged 13.1 mpg over their first 30,000 miles. Other friends with an MDX cliam they have averaged 20+/-. We don't have serious off road needs, but do need an SUV capable of handling 12-18+" of snow.
#290 of 4548 MPG vs. MPG
Dec 01, 2004 (12:05 am)
habitat1, simply compare the official EPA MPG. That's what it's for... to compare. They go through the same test.
MDX V6 is 17/23 [19 combined]. LR3 V8 is 14/18 [16 combined]. RR V8 is 12/16 [13 combined]. GX 470 V8 is 15/19 [16 combined].
As I posted before, we see around 14-15 mixed on LR3... and hit the EPA highway rating (18) on, well, a very long highway drive. (Note: My MPG determined using physical gas usage, not on-board computer.)
#291 of 4548 Re: MPG vs. MPG [grommet]
Dec 01, 2004 (3:55 am)
Thanks for the response.
However, notwithstanding your experience that falls in line with the EPA estimates, my recent experience has suggested "simply comparing" EPA estimates may not be an accurate estimate of real world experience.
My 1995 Nissan Maxima 5-speed, rated at 22/27, has averaged 23.9 mpg on 153k miles, and still gets 28-30 on the highway.
My former Honda S2000, rated at 20/26 averaged 22.2 mpg for 18.5k miles and would get 30-32 on the highway at 75 mph.
My current 2004 Acura TL 6-speed rated at 20/30 has averaged 18.5 mpg for 10k miles and gets 15-16 in light city driving, 28-29 on the highway. Clearly, while Maxima and S2000 achieved or substantially beat their EPA highway estimate, the Acura TL is falling well short of this "relative" rating compared to the other two.
So, as of right now, I'm not taking the MDX's rating of 17/23 too seriously until I can validate it with real world experience. Your LR3 experience comforts me that, low as the EPA rating is, at least it's achievable.
#292 of 4548 Rear seat DVD Available Now?
Dec 01, 2004 (4:31 am)
Is the rear seat DVD entertainment system for the LR3 available now? Does anyone have it in their LR3? Are you happy with it?
#293 of 4548 Re: Rear seat DVD Available Now? [youngturk]
Dec 01, 2004 (8:42 am)
As I understand it, the DVD system is dealer installed. Our dealer suggested we get one installed by Best Buy or Circuit City instead as the cost is much less than what the dealer would charge.
We did see the DVD in action on the MDX and immediately knew that we could not get a ceiling mounted DVD system. If you are driving while the back passengers are watching the DVD, you cannot see out of your rear-view mirror - you just see the back of the DVD screen. (You do see a little out of the sides, but imagine driving while you have something very large in the back area that obstructs your view - that's what the ceiling mounted DVD screen looks like).
We decided to wait on the DVD. If we really want one installed, Circuit City will install 2 headrest mounted screens for $1500. Or better yet, just buy 2 portable 7" DVD systems for $300 a piece and let the rear seat folks have one screen each. They then could watch individual movies. They could also take those on airplanes or use in other cars as well. The only downside is that all the people in the back aren't watching the same movie.
#294 of 4548 Bluetooth and DVD
Dec 01, 2004 (10:44 am)
New user, first time post. Planning to order an LR3 HSE, all factory options, and look forward to keeping up to date on this board. I've test driven most of the competition, and waited for LR3 release to make a final decision. Needless to say, it was worth the wait.
DVD is not yet available, but will soon be as a dealer installed option. Local dealer here will also install third party unit in headrests. You can order it now with your LR3, build it into the price (so it comes with the factory 4 year warrantee), then dealer will install when available. If you do it later after purchase, just has a 1 year warrantee.
From Landrover Customer Relationship Center:
"From the factory Bluetooth will become available about 90 days from launch. There will be an accessory Bluetooth system and I believe it will fit all LR3 vehicles. The accessory kit will provide full Bluetooth functionality when it becomes available."
Decided to wait for the bluetooth option, rather than go without and wish I waited for 2 more months.
Anybody have the cooler box? If so, any details would be appreciated (does the center console look the same, is it about the same size inside, asume it can be switched "off").
#295 of 4548 Factory Bluetooth has more features than dealer installed one
Dec 01, 2004 (9:56 pm)
Here are some details
EXTERNAL ANTENNA CONNECTION FOR CRADLE
Both LR3 and Range Rover have an external Antenna connection when using a cradle docked phone.
DIALING POINTS OF INTEREST FROM NAV SCREEN
If the navigation and PTI are fitted and the map database contains the phone number of that particular POI, a softkey exists on the navigation display to dial that particular POI. This feature is available on Range Rover and LR3 if navigation and PTI are fitted.
As LR3 as of today does not have the telephone option factory fitted, so this feature (the ability to dial the number) is currently disabled in the navigations system. Please be aware that POI information can still be viewed on the navigation screen, but the softkey is not displayed to dial the number.
FACTORY INSTALLED PTI SYSTEM DELIVERY
The PTI system is proposed to start line fitment at Land Rover manufacturing on the first week in February 2005.
With the lead times that the vehicle has from the UK to the USA, the vehicles will get to the USA until early to mid-March, however this cannot be guaranteed as it depends on the process and timings of shipping cars to the US.
BLUETOOTH PHONE COMPATIBILITY
Unfortunately not all Bluetooth phones operate with the PTI system. During the LR testing, it has been shown that Bluetooth has not been implemented in the same way by all mobile telephone manufacturers, nor does the echo cancellation DSP (Digital Signal Processing).
LR will soon be supplying an Information Bulletin, listing all the Bluetooth phones and docked phones which Land Rover approve with the PTI system together with the software version of the phones themselves.
NON-NOKIA DOCKED PHONE COMPATIBILITY
LR are working currently on solutions for Siemens and Sony Ericsson cradles, however the timing for release of these cradles is currently unknown as this testing does not start until the week of Nov 15th.
Docked cradles are predominantly used for 4 reasons:
2) Call registers (missed, received and dialled calls)
3) Charging of the mobile telephone
4) External Antenna connection.
With Bluetooth these features are not available.
PTI SYSTEM FEATURES
There is no formal marketing information currently available for PTI. However the list below details the PTI system features:
Voice dialling, holds up to 50 names in memory
Telephone Voice Recognition Commands:
Phone dial number/Dial phone number
Phone dial name/Dial name
Phone store name
Phone play directory/Read phone book
Phone delete directory/Clear phone book
Digital Voice Processing:
Full Duplex communication, noise reduction and echo cancellation
Multiple Bluetooth Phone Use:
Up to 7 phones can be paired via bluetooth with the same PTI system.
1) Audio volume control through the steering wheel controls and via the radio faceplate
2) System Menu access through the radio faceplate and the instrument pack if using the steering wheel controls.
#296 of 4548 Re: Factory Bluetooth has more features than dealer installed one [ypshan]
Dec 02, 2004 (5:22 am)
Actually the cradles do not use the Bluetooth feature of the phone. The phone is hard wired into the system when in the cradle. The current cradle available for the 05 Range Rover accepts 4 Nokia phones, 2 have Bluetooth capability and 2 do not. The phones that have Bluetooth will work hands free without putting them in the cradle (with reduced functionality) or in the cradle with full functionality. The Nokia 3100 and 6200 will only work in the cradle.