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#2047 of 4548 Lower entry price V6 based LR3 announced
Apr 12, 2005 (9:02 am)
IRVINE, Calif., April 12 -- Land Rover is expanding its existing LR3 model line, giving consumers a greater range of trim level choices for its award-winning SUV. Heading the enhancements is the introduction of a 4.0-liter V6 engine which will be offered in addition to the existing 4.4-liter 300hp V8.
All V6 models come highly equipped with a long list of four-wheel drive technologies including the innovative Terrain Response(TM) system, four-corner electronic air suspension, electronically controlled infinitely variable locking center differential and 18-inch aluminum alloy wheels as standard.
Powered by a 4.0-liter V6 engine, the new powertrain produces 216 hp and 269 lb.-ft torque 3,000 RPM. It can tow up to 7,700 lbs., negotiate the toughest off-road trails and cruise at speeds up to 112 MPH. EPA mileage is 14 MPG city, 19 highway.
As with the current V8, the V6 engine is mated to a six-speed "intelligent shift" electronically controlled ZF automatic transmission. Its "sport" mode delivers more performance-oriented throttle response and gear shifts, and features Land Rover's Command Shift operation -- giving the driver full manual control of gear changing.
"LR3 is enjoying record popularity in a highly competitive SUV market," says Richard Beattie, executive vice president, marketing and sales, Land Rover North America. "The addition of this new engine derivative broadens its appeal and ensures our customers are getting the widest selection of choice when ordering their LR3."
In addition to the list of impressive features standard on the V6-equipped vehicles, the optional premium package adds the following:
-- Leather trimmed seating surfaces, shift knob, and front folding armrests
-- 240-watt harman/kardon AM/FM/6-disc CD changer + 9 speakers and remote audio controls on the steering wheel
-- Power tilt and slide front sunroof with a fixed Alpine roof over the second and third rows
-- Second row auxiliary audio port (behind center console)
-- "SE" Badge at rear tailgate
PRICING AND AVAILABILITY
A limited number of 2005 Land Rover LR3 units equipped with the V6 engine will be available in North America beginning in July. The V6 units will be available with a base MSRP of $38,950 and the optional premium package for an additional $3,000. The MSRP includes destination, delivery, and complimentary scheduled maintenance.
Land Rover North America is part of Aston Martin Jaguar Land Rover with headquarters in Irvine, California. Land Rover established operations in the U.S. in 1986, and now imports and distributes Range Rover, LR3 and Freelander vehicles manufactured by Land Rover in Solihull, England. Land Rover's worldwide operations are wholly owned by Ford Motor Company, Dearborn, Michigan. For information about the Land Rover retailer nearest you, call 800-FIND-4WD or log on to http://www.LandRoverusa.com
Vehicle specifications and features are subject to change.
#2048 of 4548 Re: Got My car back from dealer [hung3] - HDC, Transmission, brake faults. [hung3]
Apr 12, 2005 (11:48 am)
I would seriously consider proceeding with the lemon law at this point. Some thoughts:
Are you asking for a detailed description of what they are doing each time you bring it in? I'd be curious what the troubleshooting process is. They can't just "reset" a few things and give it back to you. I know going without the LR is tough but I would play a little hardball with the service folks there.
1) Don't act or say (as you did in #2037) that this is not serious. The service dept. is obviously perplexed and if they think that you will eventually live with the problem or it will simply go away then they aren't thinking hard on the issue. In many analogous professions it is tempting to dismiss issues that 1) have never been seen before and 2) are hard to reproduce on demand. You seem to have both. Be adamant and almost furious about the issue. You can play nice on the first trip in but visit #4 would have me in fits.
2) When you get it back. Look at the detailed steps that they took to try and solve the issue. Be wary of continuous attempts to reproduce the issue. They may never repro it. At this point it is unimportant. You have a clear description of the problem for them by now. If it's not in the diagnostics when you bring it in - it wonít be when they repro the problem.
3) Use basic logic to determine if they actually IDENTIFIED the problem. This is key - trial and error time is over. This is your 4th visit. They must identify the problem then take direct steps to solve that particular issue. Tell them up front that you will be expecting this type of information when you return. If they haven't done this then leave the car there, keep your loaner on their dime, and start the lemon law process.
4) You SHOULD keep bringing it back. As you say in your post you are unsure you should even bring it back in b/c you know they wonít fix it. This is ideal for them. No lemon law - no more hard work. Bring it back to satisfy all the lemon law requirements.
5) In addition to the management, talk directly to the tech that performed the service when you return. Ask him directly to list all of the possible things he or LR knows of that could cause the problem (parts, computer, wiring, etc.). Take that list down. Then ask him to describe in detail what he has done to test for each possible cause. You will be surprised how much he hasnít done when itís a mystery problem such as this. If they donít want to replace every part on the list Ė then they can give you a new truck Ė their choice.
I know this is a lot to do but sometimes you have to really dig in and demand results. Good luck.
#2050 of 4548 LR3 Tire Sizes
Apr 12, 2005 (2:48 pm)
I looked up some more robust off-road capable tires that might fit the 18 inch LR3's. There are a few choices, but the Michelin Cross Terrain SUV looked like a good compromise between quietness and off-road capability. It comes in a P265/70R18 size that would be 32 inch diameter instead of the normal 30 inch diameter P265/60R18. I know this would alter the speedo and gearing about 7 percent. It would also add 1 inch of ground clearance. Has anybody done this yet?
Would a 2 inch bigger diameter tire still fit in the spare tire carrier?
#2051 of 4548 Re: Serious help needed from current or previous owners!!! [therealjohn]
Apr 12, 2005 (3:25 pm)
I am a LR3 Owner with a fully equipped SE model. I have just 2500 miles with zero problems so far. Driving has been highway, city, Death Valley, 282 ft below sea level to 5-6000 feet above sea level. I have run about 80-200 miles of wash board in gravel mode and tried out all other off-road modes. So far it's the best of the best!
#2052 of 4548 Re: Got My car back from dealer [hung3] - HDC, Transmission, brake faults. [hung3] [cstaats33]
Apr 12, 2005 (4:35 pm)
Thank you for taking the time explaining what I should do. I really appreciate your assistance.
I guess I am really weary about this new car, always excited to get it back from the repair and felt beaten yet FURIOUS by the fact that this issue still exists. I don't even feel like this is a new car anymore.
I have been patient on the first and second time that it was in the shop. By the third time I was really concern, therefore I got the customer service manager to involve in the repair process. In my mind, this third time they really did something to the car but like you said, on the repair form they explained on the third repair visit, they simply indicate "duplicate the problem, test drive, update ECU, test ok". no detail steps were given.
The fact that they told me this issue is new and unseen in other vehicle repairs really bugs me.
This time I contacted the LR Corp. customer relations rep. and had asked him to find out what is really happening/repair history before I bring in my car again for repair. The guy informed he would need two days and should call me back by tomorrow. So I am really taking this step by step and for sure I will bring my car in for repair but before then I really have no faith to let it stay in the shop for some simple ECU update repeatitively.
Wonder if you know Lemon process lawyer fees are responsible by the consumer or the manufacturer?
Thanks again for taking the time in concerning our issue.
#2053 of 4548 Re: Errant Ding [letterrep]
Apr 12, 2005 (6:49 pm)
overspeed alarm? I have mine set to ding at 95mph... which is all too often. heh heh heh.
#2054 of 4548 Get a Land Cruiser
Apr 12, 2005 (7:37 pm)
They offer everything you're looking for in a vehicle. And...they don't break. My 01 after 117000 miles had one issue - a squeaky bearing in the tension pulley for the serpentine drive belt. Otherwise, bulletproof.
The reason I'm on this board is we're looking for a AWD/4WD vehicle for my wife. The LR3 is very impressive. I, too, am watching the "issues" for a first year vehicle and how well Land Rover is solving and handling these issues.
#2055 of 4548 Re: Get a Land Cruiser [njpaguy]
Apr 12, 2005 (11:14 pm)
I test drove the Lexus LX470 and wasn't impressed. I found it to be very blah and too out dated for it to even be a consideration. I do like the fact that it is the most reliable but, after much consideration, I just won't be happy with the vehicle. I think that if I were to get the LX it would spend more time in my garage then my QX56 did in the Infiniti dealers garage.
#2056 of 4548 Jeep Commander vs LR3?
Apr 13, 2005 (6:30 am)
Don't know what to do. The LR3 suits my family's needs the best but there is no local dealer and with some of the problems that I have read really concerns me. I don't want a car that will be in the shop especially when the shop is 1 hour away. (I know that I am not getting a true indication by reading the boards as far as the ratio of success and failure). I also don't like paying MSRP so I have decided to wait until supply catches up with demand. Because of being patient, I have continued to investigate my options on alternative vehicles. There appears to be a new player, the Jeep Commander.
Has anyone seen the new Jeep Commander and if so, how does it compare? Both vehicles are legendary in there off road ability. As a matter a fact, thanks to Jeep, Land Rover was born from it. Anyway, I look forward to hearing any thooughts or comments.