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#105 of 4548 Is Everyone Paying MSRP?
Nov 05, 2004 (9:30 pm)
I currently own a 2003 GX470. Like the vehicle except I have three kids and the 3rd row is almost useless when you factor in a stroller. Everything else has been great. Considered the XC90 and almost leased a 2005 2.5T last weekend. As I was walking through the parking lot at Disney World tonight, I saw an XC90. IMHO, it does not evoke the same feeling when looking at Lexus or a Land Rover product.
Has everyone been paying MSRP or are they dealing already? I know where I live Nashville, TN they plan to sell at MSRP for a long time. Just curious as I consider a LR3. Need new tires on GX and don't want to shell out the $$ if I can get a good deal on an LR3 HSE.
Nov 06, 2004 (8:03 am)
I am not sure how long they are going to be able to hold the MSRP. Infiniti QX56 was going for MSRP for 2-3 months then people started discounting it. And that truck was selling pretty well.
With the gas price as it is today and with the competition being much more intense, I wouldn't be surprised to see LL discounting LR3 after the new year.
By the way, I am struggling between the GX and LR3. Coming from the X5, both are softer rides.
I am interested in your perspective comparing the GX with the LR3. GX appears to be a better value/luxury/logical choice while LR3 is newer to me.
#107 of 4548 Re: Not all Bluetooth are equal... [ypshan]
Nov 06, 2004 (9:11 am)
"Land Rover de-contented the LR3 on the Bluetooth integration with the Navigation system"
I wouldn't say "decontented". It was a design choice. The LR3's Navigation Touchscreen is optional, so the controls for the forthcoming PTI/Bluetooh option were designed into the radio head unit.
The '05 Range Rover doesn't even have a separate radio interface. The Touchscreen is integral to the design.
I was hoping they'd at least have supplemental Touchscreen support if the LR3 was equipped with Navigation, but it wasn't meant to be.
#108 of 4548 Bluetooth and NAV
Nov 06, 2004 (4:43 pm)
The HSE model has NAV standard instead of optional.
Nov 06, 2004 (6:34 pm)
I like the LR3 because the third row has more flexibility in terms of storage and capacity. The GX seats fold up and out of the way which is a hassle. I have three kids and still need a stroller. You've gotta take one of the the seats out to get some flexibility. Even when doing so, it is still tough for my kids to get out with the stroller in the vehicle. There seems to be enough room behind the seats to get a small to medium size stroller in without compromising getting in and out of the vehicle.
The LR3 V8 felt just as powerful and smooth as the GX V8. Also, the fit and finish seemed to be rather high. If you close the door on any Disco II or RR, there is a distinct "clunk" that comes from the door. When closing the LR3, this is not the case. It sounded and felt eerily close to the Lexus. Also, the availibility of 19" wheels is also a plus over the GX.
The GX470 has been hands-down the best SUV I have ever owned over the following: X5 4.4i, Toyota 4Runner, Land Rover Disco and Jeep Grand Cherokee.
The GX does offer the better value/luxury and reliability. The V8 is smooth as butter and comes on strong even though the HP numbers are low. Of course, few vehicles have the torque it has which is what really matters the most.
For me, it comes down to greater flexibility (seats fold into floor) and the 6 speed tranny (5 speed in GX). I believe the gas mileage will be the same at the end of the day.
I too am caught between keeping my GX470 and the new LR3. Also keep in mind that a sport package will be offered in December for the GX470. It will have 18" wheels, special trim and an upgraded engine with a VVT. This should improve already decent gas mileage in a V8.
I am going to wait to see what the sport GX470 looks and rides like. At the time I bought my GX I wasn't supposed to get a discount. I called the largest Lexus dealer in the world and got their best deal. I then called my local dealer and said I will buy from you for $500 more than other Lexus dealer. They matched it. If I like it, I will use the same tactic again.
If not, I will be hoping that LR3 sales are flat at the end of December so I can get a good deal. I have to put new tires on my GX and don't want to if I am going to trade it.
Hope this helps.
#111 of 4548 Re: Bluetooth and NAV + USA Today MPG [ypshan]
Nov 06, 2004 (10:21 pm)
"The HSE model has NAV standard instead of optional." Correct. But it's still "optional" on the vehicle design, unlike the 2005 Range Rover -- not every LR3/Disco 3 has it. (No other features depend on it existing.)
I've seen 14-15 MPG (not computer based calculation: pump based math) mixed use on LR3 without aggressive test driving. It'll get worse with a full load, of course.
#112 of 4548 Big and Firm are not necessarily better
Nov 07, 2004 (7:21 pm)
Ypshan: You're right: the X5 has a firmer, almost jiggly ride compared to the LR3. We test drove a 2002 X5 with the optional sports suspension and 18" wheels and it wasn't fun on Northeast roads.
Xchigoan5: With wheels, big is not necessarily better. Not only will 19" wheels introduce much more road noise into the cabin, where are you going to find true winter tires (e.g., Blizzaks) to fit the wheels? Sure, you can still get around but without Blizzaks or Artic Alpins you aren't going to stop very well.
#113 of 4548 Don't go X5 with sports package
Nov 07, 2004 (11:56 pm)
I tried both the sports and non-sports package and ended up buying the non-sports. The sports package is for on race track performance. Not good at all for everyday driving.
The non-sports X5 4.4i that I currently own feels a bit firmer than LR3 and corners flatter.