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Re: Biodiesel [rfruth] by loveshemp
Jul 28, 2004 (8:38 am)

Replying to: rfruth (Jul 27, 2004 5:11 pm)

It's okay to mix and match, that's another good thing about it. Recently I drove to California and couldn't find any biodiesel pumps along the way, (except one in West Yellowstone) and the car ran just fine on regular diesel. I haven't done anything special to the car--just plunked down my money and put it in gear. It runs like a top.
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Re: Biodiesel [rfruth] by loveshemp
Jul 28, 2004 (8:45 am)

Replying to: rfruth (Jul 27, 2004 5:11 pm)

Forgot to say--yes, the car is "stock," nothing special about it, a 2004 TDI New Beetle. Also, in the winter I'll have to mix the biodiesel with No. 1 diesel (right in the gas tank) because B100 gels at 20 degrees (more or less) but B20 is good to 40 below. So if you live in a cold climate keep the B100 in the garage next to the house so the whole tank doesn't gel. Even if it gels it is okay once it warms up, not like regular diesel which gets crystals in it and can wreak havoc on your engine, or so I am told by my husband who is an ex-diesel mechanic and was skeptical about my purchase but has since become a believer.
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What are the negatives of Biodiesel? by gagrice
Jul 29, 2004 (8:59 am)
Sounds like MN is pushing biodiesel. I don't see where it is being subsidized by the Feds and that is a good thing. The only downsides are cost to produce and B100 gels easily. I wonder if there are very many people willing to pay a lot more to save our oil supplies. There must be a few as the lady in Montana is paying $3.17 per gallon to do her part.
 
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200104/19_mccallum- l_fat/
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What's good for Willie is good for the USA by gagrice
Jul 29, 2004 (9:22 am)
That settles it I'm getting a diesel in Hawaii and using biodiesel. Go Willie!!!
 
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/users/artists/willie.shtm
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Re: What are the negatives of Biodiesel? [gagrice] by john1701a
Jul 29, 2004 (4:23 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 29, 2004 8:59 am)

It increases NOx emissions beyond the already frightening level that diesel emits.
 
Add hardware to cleanse emissions down to the SULEV level, then you'll have a worthwhile positive.
 
JOHN
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Re: What are the negatives of Biodiesel? [john1701a] by gagrice
Jul 29, 2004 (4:57 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 4:23 pm)

The bio-diesel in Hawaii is recycled cooking oil. It used to be dumped on the landfill. I think with the breezes in Hawaii the NoX is not as much an issue as the landfill problem. They have diverted over 40 tons of cooking oil per month to bio-diesel. They can run B100 without fear of gelling where it never freezes. As with all the alternative fuels there are downsides. It is a small step toward independence from foreign oil.
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Re: What are the negatives of Biodiesel? [john1701a] by gagrice
Jul 29, 2004 (5:01 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 4:23 pm)

It increases NOx emissions beyond the already frightening level that diesel emits.
 
That is a little melodramatic. It is not as bad as many of the vehicles still manufactured by Toyota for the USA. They have one clean car, they need to work on the rest.
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Re: What are the negatives of Biodiesel? [gagrice] by john1701a
Jul 29, 2004 (5:24 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 29, 2004 5:01 pm)

> It is not as bad as many of the vehicles
 
Toyota has repeatedly stated all those vehicles will have a hybrid option available by 2010.
 
What will be happening with diesel technology?
 
I wonder how the cost of adding that cleansing hardware and the minor MPG penalty will affect the decisions made about diesel marketing.
 
Remember, technology commonly suffers from the wrath of executives. So no matter how much you believe in it, they may drop the axe and ruin your plans.
 
Thankfully, the committment to HSD is quite strong. Who knows. Perhaps it will later adopt biodiesel and the abandoning of engine-only technology won't be a big deal. Think about the future decisions.
 
JOHN
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Re: What are the negatives of Biodiesel? [john1701a] by gagrice
Jul 29, 2004 (8:01 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 5:24 pm)

Toyota has repeatedly stated all those vehicles will have a hybrid option available by 2010.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. They are not even close to keeping up with current requests for one lowly hybrid. What makes you think that they will build all their vehicles with HSD. It is a dream of yours. The Prius is just another car and a not very profitable one at that. When the Toyota President says they have NO plans to expand he is telling me and the rest of the world we will bite the bullet on a few thousand cars and that is it. He is not the idealist you are. He is a realist, that likes to make MONEY. The Prius is not a money maker or if it is only a slight bit. Nothing like Toyota is used to making.
 
Back to Bio-Diesel here is the company in Hawaii that is supplying bio-diesel and making a profit WITHOUT my tax dollars subsidizing at all. He did it on his own and that is the AMERICAN way. Unlike the Ethanol rip-off.
 
http://www.biodiesel.com/aboutPacBio.htm
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Re: What are the negatives of Biodiesel? [gagrice] by john1701a
Jul 30, 2004 (3:47 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 29, 2004 8:01 pm)

What the $^#$*! are you talking about? No patience, eh?
 
Toyota has clearly stated they will be expanding HSD production. They even provided a little detail on short, mid, and long term expectations.
 
Toyota has also clearly stated that they want to expand their US marketshare by 5 percent by 2010.
 
The unique opportunities from HSD expansion along with the impressive profits lately obviously make those goals realistic.
 
JOHN

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