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#147 of 170 Re: [gagrice] by falconone Nov 17, 2005 (6:55 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2005 6:19 pm) What is the avg price for bio-diesel in your area? Is it cleaner than ULSD?? Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 17, 2005 7:35 pm) falconone (Nov 18, 2005 8:18 am)
#148 of 170 Re: [falconone] by gagrice Nov 17, 2005 (7:35 pm)
Replying to: falconone (Nov 17, 2005 6:55 pm) The only biodiesel I can find in San Diego is B20 for about the same price as ULSD. It is better for CO2 and has No sulfur. NOx is similar or slightly higher. Urea filters will eliminate the NOx. I filled my Passat Monday with ARCO ulsd and paid $2.899. Willie Nelson biodiesel is slated to be in 5 stations by the end of the year. After 6200 miles the overall average is a bit over 29 MPG calculated. That is mostly very short trips shopping the last 3500 miles. Trips to LA are high 30s. Replies to this message: falconone (Nov 18, 2005 8:18 am)
#149 of 170 Re: [gagrice] by falconone Nov 18, 2005 (8:18 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2005 7:35 pm) Unfortunately there are no bio diesel stations here because there is no demand yet in NY (CARB wannabee state).We probably have the fithiest diesel around. My best friend who has his Merc 300D (mid 80's with 140k) says his car still runs fine, but it does create soot on hard acceleration. You actually have convinced me to look at a Jetta diesel. Truthfully I am frightened at the prospect of a high maint car. I am going to take a test drive and see if it has improved over the one I tried four years ago. Way too much NVH at idle. I'm open minded, so I'll keep you all posted.
#150 of 170 Biodiesel only reduces bad emissions by 20% over regular diesel by larsb Nov 25, 2005 (8:57 am)
"Bartzat said that unlike vehicles designed to run on compressed natural gas, diesel-burning vehicles can relatively, easily and cheaply be converted to biodiesel, which tends to run 20 to 30 cents more expensive by the gallon.   Proponents of biodiesel argue that these ongoing costs are offset by benefits such as a 20-percent reduction in pollution, slightly improved gas mileage, and less wear on the vehicle through its lubricating properties. Diesel-burning vehicles can also be easily and cheaply converted to biodiesel and can, therefore, be a viable option for fleets that are not seeking to replace their vehicles."
#151 of 170 How much fossil fuel do you want to use? by gagrice Nov 25, 2005 (12:12 pm)
Take two VW Jetta cars one that uses gas the other B20 biodiesel and make a comparison. In 15K miles you will use 600 gallons of fosssil fuel gasoline. With the VW TDI burning B20 for the same 15K miles you will only use 315 gallons of fossil fuel diesel. Which is better for America? If we all switched to B20 fueled cars vs gasoline fueled cars we could cut our fossil fuel usage nearly in half. And we would not half to scramble to find more expensive batteries or fuel cells.
#152 of 170 Well, you gotta weigh the disavantages too... by larsb Nov 25, 2005 (12:39 pm)
In most situations, there are both pros and cons of an action.   At least one "con" in the action you mentioned is that diesel fuel, even B20, puts out a lot of dirty emissions, especially soot, and until the advanced particulare filters are installed on every modern diesel vehicle, that is still a major health problem.   Lowering fossil fuel usage is an important goal, but so is public health. Replies to this message: falconone (Nov 25, 2005 1:53 pm)
#153 of 170 Re: Well, you gotta weigh the disavantages too... [larsb] by falconone Nov 25, 2005 (1:53 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Nov 25, 2005 12:39 pm) I'll take my chances with a hybrid before I ever bought another VW product.
#154 of 170 Bio-Diesel gaining by yerth10 Nov 28, 2005 (1:20 pm)
Worldwide Bio-Diesel usage is growing at a rapid speed. Probably faster than Hybrid Vehicles. Malaysia is going to do a big conversion to B5. Brazil is also moving in.   Unless Toyota, Honda, Ford sells Hybrids without those extras, Bio-diesel vehicles may grab a big market share. Replies to this message: falconone (Nov 28, 2005 4:37 pm)
#155 of 170 Re: Bio-Diesel gaining [yerth10] by falconone Nov 28, 2005 (4:37 pm)
Replying to: yerth10 (Nov 28, 2005 1:20 pm) How can they grab market share in the US. CARB states are increasing. NJ and OR are now (or will be soon) part of CARB. No manufacturers will bring these to market unless they can sell them in all 50 states. I keep reading that this will be by this summer. How about just a plain old diesel from Honda or Toyota. Right now we have unreliable VWs and unreliable overpriced Mercedes. Am I biased?? No. I own a Mercedes and HAVE owned Audis and VWs. Great build quality, but very very expensive to maintain.
#156 of 170 Making waves by yerth10 Nov 30, 2005 (9:31 am)
Every week, we hear news about a new Bio-Diesel plant coming online or a fleet purchase of Bio-Diesel vehicles. If its price goes below $ 2.5 it will make a big push for Diesel.   Even today there is a news about Bio-Diesel plant in www.greencarcongress.com

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