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Scion xB, Wagon
Jan 12, 2009 (8:42 am)
A 225000 mile trade may be worth about $400 or so. Getting about $1400 for it would be about 1000 off the msrp. Getting 1.9% or so for 36 months would be about 1800 or more off. Pure price (scion is really the only one) as well as honda like to work the financing and trade in angles than the price when trying to move vehicles. They never want a public trained to wait for fixed value rebates.
Scion was designed to be a low inventory pure price model, and the brand was designed for upturns and down in the economy. Check out the kbb.com trade in value of an 08 scion with avg miles. This is what your 09 will be worth in 12 months. A 17000 08 scion may have a trade in of 12000 or so. $5000 is a lot to eat to drive a funny box 1st year, especially in a recession. For the Tc you need at least $2000 off (one way or another) to be competitive with other vehicles, the hipster 20 something advertising only going so far (and getting old after 3 years)
The toyota matrix, pontiac vibe, nissan versa, may be more competitive. Perhaps even the honda fit or the 09 mazda3 sport hatch(definitely check that out) for $16000 or less would be killer.
#329 of 347 Re: Struggling to get a deal as well [Ride21]
Jan 17, 2009 (10:35 am)
As a seller of Scions you also see that there is room to deal with this auto. When I bought my 2005 XB from a dealer in No. Virginia back in 2005, I got $600 knocked off the MSRP by the dealer. Of course I went in at the end of the month and left after hearing their price. When they called me back the next day I went in and we negotiated--yes, negotiated-so Pure Pricing is not as pure as stated.
I had no trade and the Scion manager knocked the $600 off the MSRP and threw in the mats for free. I bought the cargo net and the fogs at full price but got the alloy wheels for 1/2 price to seal the deal.
BTW, it's a great little commuter as I now have 95,000 miles on it and still going strong with only regular maintenance. FWIW, I don't like the redesigned Box, and will look at the Kia Soul next year as my next driver.
Jan 30, 2009 (9:15 pm)
I was able to get $775 off window sticker for my '09 xB this week at my local dealer by using the fact that another Scion dealer was listing them for sale on the well-known auction site...with a "Make Offer" addition to the BIN prices. That dealer was in my state which might have helped my argument.
Took a tad of effort and pushing my salesman (who was just following the rules) to ask for the discount. They had to call a Toyota/Scion district supervisor who did okay the discount.
Not a huge amount but, hey, it was my $775.00
Do a little browsing around and find the info to help in your own negotiations.
Hope this helps.
#331 of 347 Re: Help vs. Pure Price [BlackberryPie]
Jan 31, 2009 (12:26 am)
Where did you end up buying it at?
#332 of 347 Re: Help vs. Pure Price [alamocity]
Jan 31, 2009 (9:44 pm)
Scion of Cleveland (TN)
#333 of 347 My 2 month attempt to buy a Scion is over...
Feb 01, 2009 (9:04 am)
I finally bought a Scion xB on Friday (see messages: 313, 318, 319 & 323 for my ordeal).
I took a serious look at both the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix after calling off my search for an xB at a reasonable price. My local dealers all wanted a $300-600 documentation fee to do the sale.
I eliminated the Matrix because I could not find one locally with the specific options I wanted. The local Toyota dealers did not seem to want to go out of their way to locate a car for me either.
I had much better luck with the Vibe. Two dealers were very willing to work with me and gave me offers of slightly over $16,000 for a compatibly equipped Vibe. Even at that price I think the Scion is worth $400 more to get the convenience features like ipod integration, trip computer, steering wheel controls, etc.
I found a dealer in NY (about 1 and a half hours away) willing to sell me an xB at sticker with a $45 doc. fee. (NY state law caps these fees at $45.) They added on a couple of extra charges at the end for another $50, but I saved about $250 over what I would pay locally and the dealer even delivered the car to my house.
I've had the Scion for a few days now and am very happy with my decision.
#334 of 347 Re: My 2 month attempt to buy a Scion is over... [hulkedup]
Feb 01, 2009 (5:55 pm)
Congratulations, Hulkedup. It would be nice if more states would protect their citizens by capping this "doc fee." Yes, I'll sell a car to you but you'll have to pay me extra for a bill of sale - how do you sell a car without issuing a bill of sale?
It's like going to WalMart and buying $250.00 worth of groceries and when you ask for the receipt itemizing your purchases, they won't give it to you without paying them another $25.00. It's truly a masked markup.
I know what I'm talking about because I worked for a new car dealership for four years. I know, too, that, at least with Ford, there is a 2%-4% dealer "holdback" (of invoice) which is given to the dealer at a later date. There is also an advertising allowance. And if a vehicle fails to sell within its model year, corporate gives the dealer a "carryover allowance"of several hundred dollars to help offset potential loss.
I took the doc fee into consideration when I made my offer, reducing it appropriately.
#335 of 347 bought slightly used
Feb 05, 2009 (4:49 pm)
I went into the dealer today ready to buy a new Scion xb. I picked up a slightly used 2008 6400 miles with many add-ons (navigation system, XM satellite radio, 18" wheels with rims, rear spoiler, molded dash applique, remote engine start, window tint, interior light kit, overhead console box, illuminated door sill enhancement, floor mats, security system, fog lights, strobe lights. Plus Toyota certified 7 year/ 100,000 warranty. Final price just under $18,500. I estimate there was ~$7000 in upgrades, most of them I probably don't need but I thought the price on this was worth grabbing over a brand new 2009.
#336 of 347 Re: bought slightly used [wavlngth]
Feb 10, 2009 (3:50 pm)
Thats a nice find wavlngth.... I havent seen anything that cheap for a used Scion with all those mods.. If anyone doesnt know the RS 6.0 xB in Red is out for 2009.
Feb 14, 2009 (12:03 am)
Wow, you almost hit the six digits. Mine is at 21000. However, I only get to drive mine about 5 times a year.