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Re: Prius in the Snow [northernnyer] by midnightcowboy
Sep 12, 2006 (7:18 am)

Replying to: northernnyer (Sep 11, 2006 3:43 pm)

"rear-engine RWD's are better in snow than FWD. "
 
Name me one or two or any RWD rear engine cars. You are not talking traditional cars or trucks. What are you driving a Carrera 4 ?
 
90-95% of cars have the engine in the front. A lot of the traditional cars are now FWD probalby around 2/3s. Sport cars: BMW, Lexus, Infinti are front engine RWD and do not get around very well in the snow.
 
Yes, if you gat a truck or car and load the trunk with a lot of weight that RWD will work in the snow. Especailly with studded snow tires.
 
Oh yeah I know FWD is not good for dirivng and traction. Had a GSR Integra with CAT back and cold air intake and it was awesome for FWD. But yes I will agree , I have an S2000 RWD that has awesome handling.
 
Cheers,
 
MidCow
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Re: Prius in the Snow [kdhspyder] by stevedebi
Sep 12, 2006 (8:29 am)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 11, 2006 4:00 pm)

"Toyota engineer/trainer last Nov just before the revamped '06 came out."
 
Hmmm, I would like to hear from some owners who have gotten out of snow in their 2006 Prius before I render judgement. For one thing, having an engineer say they put in a change doesn't mean that the change will work sufficiently or correctly to fix the problem. Such a determination requires test results under actual conditions.
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Re: Prius in the Snow [stevedebi] by terry92270
Sep 12, 2006 (10:05 am)

Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 8:29 am)

"Such a determination requires test results under actual conditions."
 
Therefore...
 
What are the actual, documented tests, that are being cited that say they are "difficult" in snow
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Re: Prius in the Snow [terry92270] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Sep 12, 2006 (12:10 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am)

You'll see a lot of comments about this on priuschat, etc. Either it's a real problem or there are a lot of snow-bound owners hallucinating out there on the Internet.
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Re: Prius in the Snow [terry92270] by stevedebi
Sep 12, 2006 (12:24 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am)

"What are the actual, documented tests, that are being cited that say they are "difficult" in snow "
 
I consider owner's reports on this forum to be documentation. It was here that I first read of the "immobility" problem in snow with the Gen 2 Prius. I haven't seen posts indicating that the problem is fixed.
 
BTW, if was this 2006 modification a software change? Maybe the Prius can be flashed to correct the issue?
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Re: Prius in the Snow [stevedebi] by terry92270
Sep 12, 2006 (12:44 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 12:24 pm)

If it is, should be!
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Re: Prius in the Snow [Mr_Shiftright] by midnightcowboy
Sep 13, 2006 (4:38 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 12, 2006 12:10 pm)

Mr Shiftright,
 
If it is on the Prius chat then there probably is a problem. But with high mileage , hard skinny tires no car would go well in the snow.
 
The Prius chat people that are having problems, probably haven't put on snow tires? Are they having problems in snow with snow tires ?
 
Cheers,
 
MidCow
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Re: Prius in the Snow [pathstar1] by northernnyer
Sep 13, 2006 (4:59 am)

Replying to: pathstar1 (Sep 11, 2006 6:19 pm)

I do agree with the 50/50 weight bias. I live on the Tug Hill Plateau near a place that frequently makes the national news for most snowfall. I'm not faithfull to any one brand of tire. I usually by the lest expensive snowtires and have them studded, all four of them. With this setup you can drive anything in the snow. To be honest, one of the best cars I ever had for snow driving was a 1983 Chevy Camaro with a 6 cylinder. I wouldn't have dared try it with the 8 cylinder. Weight distribution is important but if you've got too much tork it won't get out of it's own way on the ice.
I'm glad these forums exist because I was seriously thinking about buying a Prius. My mother had two Honda Insights and she loved them. With the problems I've read about in here about the Prius I think I'm going to go with a more conventional vehicle. Gas mileage is important but I need something that I or my amatuer mechanic can do some of the repairs to.
Hopefully Toyota will continue to work out the bugs. The brake problems I've read about were the deal-breaker.
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Re: Prius in the Snow [midnightcowboy] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Sep 13, 2006 (6:13 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Sep 13, 2006 4:38 am)

Well what they say over there is that the car simply won't move if it gets into a slippery snow condition...it just sits there and does nothing. So at that point, if they are right, then tires are irrelevant, once they've given up their grip and the computer takes over.
 
Supposedly this traction control system does not work the same as on regular cars. I'm just passing on second-hand info, I don't have a clue. I would like to try a Prius in the snow however to see what's what and if driver skills really is the problem or not.
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Re: Prius in the Snow [Mr_Shiftright] by texvegas
Sep 13, 2006 (7:08 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 13, 2006 6:13 am)

Your post is absolutely correct. The car just sits there and does nothing and has nothing to do with driver skills. The traction control IS different from other cars due to the fact that its primary purpose is to protect the electric motor from over reving and possible burnout.I have been through 3 upstate new york winters living with this. I do not plan on another. I hope this is good advice for those considering a Prius.

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