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#667 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [midnightcowboy] by northernnyer Sep 11, 2006 (3:43 pm)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Sep 07, 2006 9:50 am) I beg to differ on your statement about RWD in snow. I've logged almost three quarters of a million miles in the last 28 of driving in Northern NY. Some RWD vehicles are excellent in the snow. Some do require studded snow tires. I should remind you that rear-engine RWD's are better in snow than FWD. FWD is fine for not getting stuck but can leave you in the ditch quite quickly if caught unaware at speed. Physics dictates that have the drive force and the steering force applied to the same wheels is not the optimum setup for handling. It may be optimum setup for fuel economy. Replies to this message: pathstar1 (Sep 11, 2006 6:19 pm) northernnyer (Sep 13, 2006 4:59 am) midnightcowboy (Sep 12, 2006 7:18 am)
#668 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [stevedebi] by kdhspyder Sep 11, 2006 (4:00 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 11, 2006 9:14 am) Toyota engineer/trainer last Nov just before the revamped '06 came out. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 8:29 am) terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 12, 2006 12:10 pm) and 4 more... stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 12:24 pm) and 1 more...
#669 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [northernnyer] by pathstar1 Sep 11, 2006 (6:19 pm)
Replying to: northernnyer (Sep 11, 2006 3:43 pm) I think we could argue about the advantages of drive location until we were all blue in the face. It seems to me with over 40 years driving in "the great white north", that the best setup is a 50/50 weight bias. However, the biggest factor is the driver, and second the tires. I've driven a vehicle with "summer tires" in snow, and was able to keep it on the road when no-one else could. I used my "secrets" gleaned from experience (also used by many other drivers, and some are teachable - I know because certain bus drivers taught me ). I wouldn't do this however, by choice. I do drive front or rear wheel drive vehicles with -proper- snow capable tires in any conditions, but only if I have to. There are too many "loose nuts" on the road to take unnecessary chances. Currently I like Nokian WR tires. They are left on year round, wear very well, and perform adequately in snow and ice. Not yet on a Prius, as I will not have mine for a few months, but when I get it count on the fact I will properly equip it with Nokians. Replies to this message: northernnyer (Sep 13, 2006 4:59 am)
#670 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [northernnyer] by midnightcowboy Sep 12, 2006 (7:18 am)
Replying to: northernnyer (Sep 11, 2006 3:43 pm) "rear-engine RWD's are better in snow than FWD. " Name me one or two or any RWD rear engine cars. You are not talking traditional cars or trucks. What are you driving a Carrera 4 ? 90-95% of cars have the engine in the front. A lot of the traditional cars are now FWD probalby around 2/3s. Sport cars: BMW, Lexus, Infinti are front engine RWD and do not get around very well in the snow. Yes, if you gat a truck or car and load the trunk with a lot of weight that RWD will work in the snow. Especailly with studded snow tires. Oh yeah I know FWD is not good for dirivng and traction. Had a GSR Integra with CAT back and cold air intake and it was awesome for FWD. But yes I will agree , I have an S2000 RWD that has awesome handling. Cheers, MidCow
#671 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [kdhspyder] by stevedebi Sep 12, 2006 (8:29 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 11, 2006 4:00 pm) "Toyota engineer/trainer last Nov just before the revamped '06 came out." Hmmm, I would like to hear from some owners who have gotten out of snow in their 2006 Prius before I render judgement. For one thing, having an engineer say they put in a change doesn't mean that the change will work sufficiently or correctly to fix the problem. Such a determination requires test results under actual conditions. Replies to this message: terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 12, 2006 12:10 pm) midnightcowboy (Sep 13, 2006 4:38 am) and 3 more... stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 12:24 pm) terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 12:44 pm)
#672 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [stevedebi] by terry92270 Sep 12, 2006 (10:05 am)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 8:29 am) "Such a determination requires test results under actual conditions." Therefore... What are the actual, documented tests, that are being cited that say they are "difficult" in snow Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 12, 2006 12:10 pm) midnightcowboy (Sep 13, 2006 4:38 am) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 13, 2006 6:13 am) and 2 more... stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 12:24 pm) terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 12:44 pm)
#673 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [terry92270] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Sep 12, 2006 (12:10 pm)
Replying to: terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am) You'll see a lot of comments about this on priuschat, etc. Either it's a real problem or there are a lot of snow-bound owners hallucinating out there on the Internet. Replies to this message: midnightcowboy (Sep 13, 2006 4:38 am) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 13, 2006 6:13 am) texvegas (Sep 13, 2006 7:08 am) and 1 more...
#674 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [terry92270] by stevedebi Sep 12, 2006 (12:24 pm)
Replying to: terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 10:05 am) "What are the actual, documented tests, that are being cited that say they are "difficult" in snow " I consider owner's reports on this forum to be documentation. It was here that I first read of the "immobility" problem in snow with the Gen 2 Prius. I haven't seen posts indicating that the problem is fixed. BTW, if was this 2006 modification a software change? Maybe the Prius can be flashed to correct the issue? Replies to this message: terry92270 (Sep 12, 2006 12:44 pm)
#675 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [stevedebi] by terry92270 Sep 12, 2006 (12:44 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 12, 2006 12:24 pm) If it is, should be!
#676 of 711 Re: Prius in the Snow [Mr_Shiftright] by midnightcowboy Sep 13, 2006 (4:38 am)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 12, 2006 12:10 pm) Mr Shiftright, If it is on the Prius chat then there probably is a problem. But with high mileage , hard skinny tires no car would go well in the snow. The Prius chat people that are having problems, probably haven't put on snow tires? Are they having problems in snow with snow tires ? Cheers, MidCow Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 13, 2006 6:13 am) texvegas (Sep 13, 2006 7:08 am) midnightcowboy (Sep 13, 2006 8:23 am)