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#316 of 711 Repairing open circuit
Jul 08, 2005 (12:03 pm)
Hi. This might be a stupid question, but I wanted to get some outside opinions before I shell out money for a repair.
This morning I took my 2002 Prius (purchased used, current mileage 81,760) to a Toyota dealership for oil change, tire rotation, blah blah. I noticed that two bulbs for the brake lights (rear driver top, rear passenger bottom) were out. The mechanic replaced the bulbs but said they still weren't working. So they think there is an open circuit in the car. They said it would cost $286 to trace and repair the open circuit and get the two bulbs working again. (The other bulbs for the brake lights are fine.)
The thing is, I had the rear passenger light shell replaced in March at the same shop. All the bulbs were working then. I also had the hybrid battery resealed in March, per factory recall, at this shop. The Toyota rep said that if the mechanic screwed up the circuit when he replaced the light shell, then it is Toyota's fault and the new repair will be on their dime.
My question: Is there possibly a connection between the hybrid battery and wire circuit? If not, then I'll have to suck it up and pay the bill.
Thanks very much.
#317 of 711 The battery charge guage
Jul 12, 2005 (4:17 pm)
I have had my 2005 Prius for 10 days (the last 2 back at the dealers). I am confused and I think the service guy is also.
I am confused about the chart on the main screen that shows the bars of charged battery. There are 3 colors pink, blue and green. I am sure I read somewhere that green was fully charged, blue was charging and pink is discharged. (I can't find this in the manual now) Anyway the only time I every saw green bars was when I returned from a 100 mile trip (got 54 mph). It is usually blue and the gas engine always seems to be charging the battery. I very rarely only use the electric motor it is almost always gas and charging. Two mornings when I started it the battery bars we low and pink. I am only getting 32 mph in the city. Took it to the dealer and they had it for 2 days and said everything was working perfectly. The service manager told me to drive it in B all the time to charge the battery. The book clearly says do not drive in B all the time.
Any ideas? Am I over reading the guage or do I have a problem?
#318 of 711 Re: Is this normal? [freeusprius]
Jul 12, 2005 (7:29 pm)
I have the same straight line steering problem. 2005 model 10K miles.Is this normal?
#319 of 711 What's happening?
Jul 27, 2005 (4:24 pm)
I ordered my Prius in 2000 -delivered in March 2001. Over the years, I've encountered several problems including continuous replacement of tires, windshield crack, decrease in mileage...you name it. I've never experienced any problems with any other vehicle I've ever owned. I've managed to correct those but here's my latest problem:
I was leaving a store parking lot and attempting to start the car-it wouldn't start. All of my warning lights came on (exclamation point/yellow triangle, car battery, check engine lights, brakes, etc...) After four tries, it finally started. I proceeded out of the parking lot down a small grade hill and it seemed as if I was "coasting" into traffic...I managed to coast into a gas station and it stalled. It was driving very differently. I sat for sometime and tried again. The car started after a few more tries but then I stalled at a red light. Finally, I managed to get to my destination but upon leaving (to take it to the dealership) I had an accident...in the driveway. I was doing a 3 point turn...hit the acceleration pedal to move forward (no more than 5 mph) and when I hit the brakes (to back up) it didn't stop. (The car seemed to have continued acceleration and then and didn't stop/stalled until I hit into the garage wall- as if the brakes weren't working.) Thankfully, no one was injured and the car is now at the dealership for repairs. My insurance estimates approx $3100 damage to my vehicle and more for repairs to the house/garage/lost items.
However, the dealership is saying that my vehicle was "low on fuel" and shows no signs of any other problems. I know that couldn't be the problem as I had two bars of gas left when the accident happened. I've read other posts with similar problems but I haven't read a solution to it yet. I plan to get a second opinion at another dealership/different tech but does anyone have any other suggestions? This is not the first time this has happened (all the warning lights coming on for no apparent reason) but this is the first time it's caused me to have an accident. Any insight as to what is happening?
#320 of 711 Re: What's happening? [loverand]
Jul 27, 2005 (7:00 pm)
Can't say what's going on with the indicator lights, but with the acceleration when using the brakes, I might have an idea.
A few years ago there was a whole investigation on a few models of vehicles which had this "problem". One of them were Jeep grand cherokees. They had a fairly large number of complaints of vehicles accelerating rather than slowing down when the owners tried to use the brake.
What they found was that the owners had inadvertantly been putting their foot either on the gas pedal when they thought they had put it on the brake, or they had hit both with most of the pressure going on the gas pedal.
Just a suggestion, but might be a posibility.
#321 of 711 Flashing indicator
Jul 28, 2005 (8:58 am)
Just bought a 2005 Prius last week. It is better than I expected. It runs quietly and very smoothly. For the 1st 150 miles, the mpg is between 46 and 57 for a freeway/city combined driving.
However, I have observed that when I stopped the car, an indicator is always flushing. Is this normal? Is there a way to stop it?
In addition, I understand that I have to charge the battery (by driving the car) at lease once every two weeks. How to avoid the battery from discharging if I have to be out of town for a long period of time, say one or two months?
I will be really appreciated if some one can give me an answer or comments.
#322 of 711 Re: What's happening? [toyotaken]
Jul 28, 2005 (9:30 am)
Thanks for responding. I posted this in the "software problems" section as well, and had two other people respond with the same answer.
I am sure that I hit the brake pedal-as hard as I could. Had I hit the accelerator, I believe a lot more damage would have occurred and subsequently hit my daughter and my ex who were in direct path (in the garage.) So no, I don't believe it was an operator error. Not that it makes much of a difference, but I've maintained a clean driving record (not even a speeding/parking ticket.)
I spoke to the service tech just a minute ago, and he's stumped at the data/codes that came up. There were two engine computer codes (p3191 and p3101) and two hybrid computer codes (204 with information code 1 and 205 with information code 0.) All though he did his best to explain what that means, I don't think he knew any more than I did. He said the last two hybrid codes contradicted themselves. He also said there was an ABS brake code but didn't have that info handy. (He had turned the paperwork in to mgt and was telling me off the top of his head.) He thinks it was ABS C1259. I'm going to pick up a copy of that paper work this afternoon and have a tech at Atlanta Toyota to look at it. Thankfully, he didn't reset anything yet. Does this make sense to you? Have you seen this before?
#323 of 711 Re: What's happening? [loverand]
Jul 28, 2005 (9:52 am)
It's the first time I've ever heard of anything like you described other than in circumstances I mentioned in my earlier post. There really isn't any definative way of knowing after the fact. The way they determined it was operator error was that using the vehicles in question, they put the brake down fully and tried the gas. Even at full throttle, the vehicles wouldn't move. Just not enough torque to move the vehicle with full brakes.
As for the codes you're mentioning, I honestly don't work in the service department, so they're as much greek to me as they are to you. However, bringing it to another dealer to diagnose is probably a good idea.
#324 of 711 Re: Flashing indicator [ssheng]
Jul 28, 2005 (9:55 am)
There have been several Prius owners here on this site that have said that they've left their Prius's without starting them for up to 6 weeks without problems. However, if you're planning on being away for any length of time longer than 2 weeks, I would recommend that you disconnect your negative battery terminal on the regular 12V battery so that you don't drain it from the clock and other incidental electronics while its sitting.
As for the flashing indicator, can you describe it? Could it be the seatbelt indicator? More help describing what the light is would help.
#325 of 711 Re: What's happening? [toyotaken]
Jul 28, 2005 (12:14 pm)
You know, he did mention something else about a throttle (body) valve...and a fuel pump relay something or another. Sorry, but I don't know the terms...I'm such a girl! But I'm definitely going to get that second opinion, and the (current) service tech is polite enough and willing to help me by sending a copy of the records to another Toyota Dealer/tech.
It's never a good experience when something like this happens, but it sure makes it easier when you have good service...and a great place (like this site) to get advice/help! I'm new here and I'll keep reading...so informativel! Thanks again!
I'll inform ya'll of the outcome (in case this happens to someone else...Lord forbid!)