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#311 of 348
Can Find SE models with ABS/ESC by capella
Dec 05, 2008 (11:19 pm)
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It's not too hard to find a Focus SE with ABS/ESC although most are automatics and not manuals. Those run around $15K with the current employee pricing promotion.
 
I was looking online for a family member and found a Focus S with AT and ABS/ESC in the Albuquerque NM area. Those I admit are harder to find and run about $1000 less than an SE. But most probably want electric windows, doors, mirrors, etc.
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by bryanlie
Dec 09, 2008 (10:27 am)
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Hi,
I want to buy a 2009 Focus SE sedan. What is the reasonable OTD price for one with MSRP $18500. The tax is 7.5% here and plus employee pricing there is about $3500 rebate. Thank you.
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Re: [bryanlie] by micweb
Dec 09, 2008 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: bryanlie (Dec 09, 2008 10:27 am)

If you want to be a good consumer, you've got to do the final "OTD" calculations yourself. You know the tax rate, you can calculate license fees, you know if your state allows dealers to impose "fake" "document" fees (fees for processing your DMV registration etc.). On a board like this, most of us deal with MSRP and discounts from MSRP, otherwise there are too many moving pieces to deal with.
 
Keep in mind that those same moving pieces are what give a dealer an edge. A lot of consumers don't know what rebates are available (research the manufacturer's website or Edmunds, here), don't know what options cost (options add up quickly on any car), and don't know what they are looking for. The internet is an amazing tool to do a lot of research. For example, in your post, you don't say - automatic or manual; options; packages. Those have an impact on how many competitve cars you can shop. If you go to fordvehicles.com, you can "build" a car on line and search dealer inventory within up to a 50 or 100 mile radius, then look at the window stickers. Print out the ones that look good, then email the dealer than has one you like (email several dealers) and ask for a quote - ask for MSRP (which you know, but ask anyway), rebates, and dealer discount. Ask what the OTD price would be with no trade. That is a good starting point.
 
While websites like this are a useful source of information, the car market is SO volatile right now that you shouldn't rely on last month's or even necessarily last week's deal. Also one dealer may be high, and another low. It's better to send out four or five emails and comparison shop. Dealers are desperate for business and will generally not waste your time these days.
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Re: [micweb] by bryanlie
Dec 11, 2008 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: micweb (Dec 09, 2008 4:02 pm)

Thank you very much. I did some research myself and got some quotes, let me show you some math. These days Ford Focus has employee price and I am looking for a 2009 Ford Focus SE Sedan with MSRP $18,500, which has automatic transaxle, SYNC system and driver's group.
 
Lowest OTD price I got from some dealer:
MSRP - $18,500
Employee pricing - $16,724.99
Rebate - $1,000.00
FMCC - $500.00
College student rebate - $500.00
Total - $16,183.16 ( This includes tax, tag, title)
 
I would like to calculate the invoice like this(Edmunds.com):
Base Invoice: $15,018
Options invoice: Auto tran: $709
                        Sync: $344
                  Driver's group: $361
Total Invoice: $16432
Rebates: Employee: $1500 (roughly)
              Rebate: $1,000.00
              FMCC: $500.00
              College: $500.00
Holdback: $555 (3% of total MSRP)
True Invoice after rebates and holdback: $12,377
Tax(7.5% times true invoice): $928
Tag: $200(Roughly)
Cost: $12,377 + T/T = $13,505
 
So what would be the reasanable OTD price for this car now? Thank you.
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Re: [bryanlie] by alamocity
Dec 11, 2008 (9:03 pm)
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Replying to: bryanlie (Dec 11, 2008 6:58 pm)

If I'm not mistaken you didn't include the destination charge on your invoice calculation which in turn affects the numbers you provided. May not find a dealer that accepts the low ball figure, more realistic to shoot for the target price which is probably $15,185 or so.
#316 of 348
Can you receive two $500 bonuses? by pepperleaf
Dec 12, 2008 (9:30 am)
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Has anyone heard that you can't receive both the $500 Ford Credit Retail Bonus and the $500 Military Appreciation Bonus?
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Re: [bryanlie] by micweb
Dec 12, 2008 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: bryanlie (Dec 11, 2008 6:58 pm)

You said, in part:
 
"Lowest OTD price I got from some dealer:
MSRP - $18,500
Employee pricing - $16,724.99
Rebate - $1,000.00
FMCC - $500.00
College student rebate - $500.00
Total - $16,183.16 ( This includes tax, tag, title) "
 
$14,724 as a sales price sounds great. I don't think you want to take the FMCC loan, currently 9.9% with good credit, unless you want to re-fi with a credit union after the 3 months lock in period necessary to get the rebate. Credit union rates are currently around 5%.
 
Check the web for the actual "employee pricing" price. The dealer should be willing to knock off another $1000. The employee pricing from what I've seen, by itself, isn't really that great, but coupled with a dealer discount, plus the rebates, is a great deal. You didn't mention dealer discount in your post and I'm not sure if it's already included in what you call the "employee pricing" price. The employee pricing price should be viewed as the new MSRP, in other words, not as the final discount.
 
On the other hand the $12,377 price you are aiming for is absurdly low. If you can get it, or even anywhere close, you've hit an incredible home run.
 
Make sure you are happy with the car, by the way. It's not JUST about the price. Shop for a comparable Toyota (Corolla) and Honda (Civic) just to find out what they are charging now. That's the best way to know what kind of deal you have.
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focus 2008 by YuZhu
Jan 04, 2009 (3:20 pm)
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the dealer offered me a new focus SE sedan 2008, howere, ther is a mileage of 2XX, is that normal for focus 2008 right now?
The price is 123XX+TTL
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Re: focus 2008 [YuZhu] by micweb
Jan 05, 2009 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: YuZhu (Jan 04, 2009 3:20 pm)

Yes, it just reflects a slow market with more test drives required to sell the car. I wouldn't worry if it's an automatic, they are hard to hurt during test drives. If it's a stick shift, it should be ok if the people test driving knew how to drive stick shifts....
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Re: focus 2008 [YuZhu] by jfritsch
Jan 08, 2009 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: YuZhu (Jan 04, 2009 3:20 pm)

Even during good times the Focus was a 4000-5000 off msrp auto. A 2008 focus with a msrp of about 18500 has a kelly blue book trade in value of about 11000 with average miles. This is what your 2009 will be worth in 12 months. Even for 16000, they are hardly giving it away.
 
If they are talking 3000 or so off go see the mazda dealer. The mazda3 is judged best in its class year after year. The focus not so. You should be able to get an equivalent mazda3 for 16000 or less, and much more car. (i touring value edition auto) Compare them for yourself. Perhaps the Nissan Versa or Sentra would be next, Next the Hyundai Sonata (much more car for about the same price, and 2x the warranty.
 
Especially when you consider the wildcard of the Doestics financial viability. There is nothing compelling about a Focus now at less than $5000 off.
 
Good luck
--jjf

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