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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly [gagrice] by nippononly
Aug 04, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 04, 2008 4:24 am)

What's more, the 35K that Camry is currently ahead is just about the number of Camry hybrids Toyota sells in a year, IIRC (in their press releases they lump the hybrids in with the gas models, but I have seen this in print in Autoweek or C&D). So if Honda puts that Accord diesel out there next summer, they could maybe draw even in Accord sales without having to outsell the gas Camrys, and maybe grab a few potential Toyota customers in the process...
 
Diesel is down to $4.75 in my neck of the woods, only about 12% higher than 87 octane unleaded. So the cost advantage to the consumer, not to mention the GHG emissions advantage to the air, is there.
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4 cylinder Accord diesel by quips
Aug 04, 2008 (11:30 am)
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I'll wait, if possible, for either the Accord or the Subaru Outback diesel option before making a decision. I'll usually keep a car for a long time. My current one is a 1997 Contour: it runs well and its gasoline mileage in typical for most cars today that have 4 bangers under the hood.
 
I think it, the diesel, is worth the upfront increased costs in fuel for better cost-per-mile averages, but I think that's a minority view. Still, my choice will be a diesel. I would love to AVERAGE 33 mpg. The initial hit at the pump will be compensated for --- it is just a matter of few trips to the pump, but each visit becomes an event!
 
It will be okay.
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly] by malmouza
Aug 10, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:49 am)

I agree with what you said, and I will add to it. The accord will make the second big mistake if they bring the V6 diesel engine for the accord, it won't make any economic sense, this deja-vu all over again; you remember the Accord hybrid... no comment there. The Honda accord market share is eating slowly by other manufacturer, the Sedan competition is heating up, the Mazda just released a new 2009 M6, GM is soon releasing the new 2009 Malibu and they twiked the I4 engine to get up to 33 MPG in highway, this is not counting that full hybrid will be available for the 2009 Malibu and 2009 Aura. Honda need to start thinking about hybrid version of the accord with I4 to compete against the Camry hybrid that are flying out of the dealer lot before they get to spend the night there. Diesel does not make any sense to buy it in USA, the price between the Gas price, and the Diesel price is almost $1 in my area PA, MD, VA. They need to think about fitting all there cars with Hybrid system.
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by ppellico
Aug 12, 2008 (6:17 am)
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WHEN will the Accord diesel be here?
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Re: [ppellico] by nippononly
Aug 12, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: ppellico (Aug 12, 2008 6:17 am)

It's still more than a year away.
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Re: [nippononly] by thegraduate
Aug 12, 2008 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 12, 2008 7:08 am)

Hasn't it been "a year away" for awhile now? I feel like Honda is being like Ford with the new 3.5L that was to debut in the Ford Five Hundred, Lincoln Zephyr, et. al. It's right around the corner...ALWAYS.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seems like they have been on the cusp of releasing this car for awhile now. I'm pretty positive I remember the 2009 Accord and CR-V were to get a diesel, a little while ago.
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Re: [thegraduate] by nippononly
Aug 12, 2008 (6:41 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 12, 2008 11:41 am)

No, people were just misstating that. It was always calendar year 2009. It will be after the diesel TSX arrives, which I think is June/July.
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Re: [nippononly] by malmouza
Aug 20, 2008 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 12, 2008 6:41 pm)

I agree, people were just misinterpreting the news. The European Accord which is the Acura TSX in USA will be the first to get the old 2.0 engine fitted in the European Accord, with added latest catalytic converter system to pass the US emission. The Accord diesel will come early 2009 calendar year. But I did hear that Honda is anxious to speed up the release of the new diesel accord, after they noticed the success of the new Jetta diesel; people are on waiting list for up to 6 months to get the Jetta diesel.
The other thing Honda will be releasing the new Hybrid that will compete against Prius, in 2009 calendar year. That may kill the sells for the Accord diesel, if the mileage is 60 MPG and the price of the new Honda hybrid is $18,5000. I know that all dealer will get a large number of this vehicle since Honda will be allocating 100,000 car for US the first year, not like the Jetta, that they are producing only 20,000 TDI for USA.
Another thing that people they don’t know about Honda; Honda have been making Diesel engine for a long time, there engine is proven reliable over many years in other parts of the world. The other thing is the part supplier for the injection system for both VW and Honda is Bosch.
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Re: [malmouza] by nippononly
Aug 20, 2008 (8:45 pm)
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Replying to: malmouza (Aug 20, 2008 6:33 am)

The other thing Honda will be releasing the new Hybrid that will compete against Prius, in 2009 calendar year. That may kill the sells for the Accord diesel, if the mileage is 60 MPG and the price of the new Honda hybrid is $18,5000
 
Yes, but the new hybrid is a 5-door hatch, not everyone's cup of tea, and will be much smaller than the Accord. Think: they have been planning the Accord diesel for quite a while, all the while selling the Civic hybrid, which will be a much closer competitor. Indeed, those two MAY cannibalize each other a bit, although I expect there will be a solid $4000-5000 in price difference between them.
 
And really, we can't be SURE yet that diesel and hybrid buyers will cross-shop with the other. Those two camps might be mostly mutually exclusive.
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Re: [nippononly] by malmouza
Aug 22, 2008 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 20, 2008 8:45 pm)

That is true the new Honda hybrid as I stated before in this forum is a smaller that the Civic; it is a commuter car, not a midsize car like the Prius. You’re right, a lot of Diesel fanatics will never consider the Hybrid, and the Accord diesel will snatch old VW diesel customers, specially the new accord will be produced in big quantity than the Jetta diesel. Nobody want to put down payment for a new car and wait for 6 months, if they have choice from other manufacturers. I will have to say that Honda if they put the 2.2L 160HP and 260 lb. ft of torque diesel engine in the Odyssey, it would be a big winner. The fuel mileage will be in the range 33 MPG, that is a lot better than the VCM engine used now that return only marginal 25 MPG.

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