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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [kdhspyder] by pilotdad
Jul 30, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 23, 2008 6:18 am)

It looks like the numbers for the TSX may be higher, according to a New York Times article. If it gets 44 combined and 52 highway, it could be a real breakthrough for diesels in this country.
 
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nyt-previews-the-hondaacura-tsx-diesel/
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly] by biker4
Aug 02, 2008 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 21, 2008 5:55 pm)

It's funny to to see all this talk to the Accord having its lunch eaten by others when the last time I looked it was just about the selling vehicle in the US.
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [biker4] by nippononly
Aug 03, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: biker4 (Aug 02, 2008 12:21 pm)

Well, it's all relative, you know? Its lunch is being eaten in the sense that sales didn't pop up with the new generation the way they have in the past, and that it is a distant fourth in car sales behind Civic, Corolla, and Camry, and Camry sales have sailed right along, despite it being an older model than the new Accord.
 
Its lunch is, however, NOT being eaten in relation to all the other midsize sedans on the market, although Altima and soon Malibu are conspiring to make Accord's life uncomfortable.
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly] by blufz1
Aug 03, 2008 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:49 am)

Correction. The Accord is selling more than the Civic. Honda is up % wise while Toyota is down %wise. Get your facts right.
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [blufz1] by nippononly
Aug 03, 2008 (11:22 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Aug 03, 2008 3:58 pm)

My oh my, that WAS a brusque response.
 
Accord is selling slightly more than Civic for the year, but for a couple of months Civic was selling more strongly. Civic is up more for the year (15%) than Accord is (12%) despite the fact that the Civic is older. And Accord isn't selling MUCH more than Civic, with a 13K-unit lead for seven months. THAT'S certainly a big switch from the past.
 
On the Toyota side, Corolla and Camry are both basically flat, Camry going into its third year, Corolla flipping over in March from the 6-year-old model to the new model, with the consequent down-time in production that brings.
 
Camry has about a 35K-sales lead on Accord as of the end of July. Corolla and Civic are virtually a dead heat.
 
Here are the press releases that detail it all:
 
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008080117514
 
http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=4649
 
Another first for Accord is corporate incentivizing in the first model year of a revised model. At least, so I read this week here at Edmunds in a reprint of a magazine editorial. Honda may be less than totally happy with the sales performance of the latest Accord model. Adding a diesel to combat Camry's hybrid would be just the ticket, I think, and with that diesel all set to come to America in the TSX, it seems almost foolhardy not to offer it in the Accord at the same time....
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly by gagrice
Aug 04, 2008 (4:24 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:22 pm)

That is exactly the way I see it. The Accord with the 4 cylinder diesel could be just what Honda needs to match Camry with the hybrid. Camry is outselling the Accord. Unless Honda is happy being second best in the segment.
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly] by blufz1
Aug 04, 2008 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:22 pm)

No offense intended,was just in a hurry and noticed the inaccuracy. Can hardly wait to see the upcoming,post $4 gas price,revisions by all the Auto makers
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly [gagrice] by nippononly
Aug 04, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 04, 2008 4:24 am)

What's more, the 35K that Camry is currently ahead is just about the number of Camry hybrids Toyota sells in a year, IIRC (in their press releases they lump the hybrids in with the gas models, but I have seen this in print in Autoweek or C&D). So if Honda puts that Accord diesel out there next summer, they could maybe draw even in Accord sales without having to outsell the gas Camrys, and maybe grab a few potential Toyota customers in the process...
 
Diesel is down to $4.75 in my neck of the woods, only about 12% higher than 87 octane unleaded. So the cost advantage to the consumer, not to mention the GHG emissions advantage to the air, is there.
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4 cylinder Accord diesel by quips
Aug 04, 2008 (11:30 am)
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I'll wait, if possible, for either the Accord or the Subaru Outback diesel option before making a decision. I'll usually keep a car for a long time. My current one is a 1997 Contour: it runs well and its gasoline mileage in typical for most cars today that have 4 bangers under the hood.
 
I think it, the diesel, is worth the upfront increased costs in fuel for better cost-per-mile averages, but I think that's a minority view. Still, my choice will be a diesel. I would love to AVERAGE 33 mpg. The initial hit at the pump will be compensated for --- it is just a matter of few trips to the pump, but each visit becomes an event!
 
It will be okay.
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Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [nippononly] by malmouza
Aug 10, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:49 am)

I agree with what you said, and I will add to it. The accord will make the second big mistake if they bring the V6 diesel engine for the accord, it won't make any economic sense, this deja-vu all over again; you remember the Accord hybrid... no comment there. The Honda accord market share is eating slowly by other manufacturer, the Sedan competition is heating up, the Mazda just released a new 2009 M6, GM is soon releasing the new 2009 Malibu and they twiked the I4 engine to get up to 33 MPG in highway, this is not counting that full hybrid will be available for the 2009 Malibu and 2009 Aura. Honda need to start thinking about hybrid version of the accord with I4 to compete against the Camry hybrid that are flying out of the dealer lot before they get to spend the night there. Diesel does not make any sense to buy it in USA, the price between the Gas price, and the Diesel price is almost $1 in my area PA, MD, VA. They need to think about fitting all there cars with Hybrid system.

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