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Replying to: beerbaronhomer (Jul 18, 2008 7:54 am) Honda by hiding the 'Accord' away in the closet ( Acura stores ) is guaranteeing that it gets little or no attention. It can't put this vehicle in Honda stores and have the public reject it a la the Accord hybrid. But it can say that it did follow through and brought it's diesel 'Accord' to market on time. As to the economics of why the smaller TSX/Accord is the better buy this is a calculation for a minority of the population. Basic facts are that the bulk of the buying population can't and doesn't want to do such analyses. Those who can do the anaylsis will appreciate the benefits. However just think of the people with whom you went to school. Most would have no idea that such an analysis was available and as soon as the subject of math was broached their eyes would glaze over. KISS for this group. Thus for the vast majority of the buyers trying to rationalize why a more expensive vehicle burning the most expensive fuel is a GOOD thing is just beyond their comprehension. My own estimates are that the TSX/'Accord' diesel will get real world values of about 37 mpg on a combined basis. This is a huge improvement over an I4 gasser which should normally be getting about 27 mpg on a combined basis. That 10 mpg improvement over a 15 gal fillup also comes to the same 150 miles of extra range for the TSX/Accord that you estimate. However the math is a lot closer... 15 gal x $4.80 = $72 / 555 mi = $.13 / mi 15 gal x $4.00 = $60 / 405 mi = $.14+ / mi The economics and marketing aside if these are the numbers then Honda should just bite the bullet and put the diesel in the larger/heavier Accord and 'do the right thing' for us as a nation. Make it a 'greenie' and/or patriotic campaign to save fuel. [EDIT: it appears from the recent reports noted above that the 2.2L diesel may actually be offered in the Accord, I agree that a V6 diesel is a white elephant] At 37 mpg ( 27 gal/1000 mi driven ) for the diesel driver vs 27 mpg ( 37 gal / 1000 mi driven ) for the gasser driver [interesting mathematical juxtaposition here ] a diesel driver saves 10 gal of fuel for every 1000 mi driven. This assumes of course that the new larger, heavier Accord can achieve these numbers. We're still waiting for the TSX numbers from the EPA. I don't think Honda wants to get into a VW situation by trumpeting some elevated numbers then having to scramble to correct the public perception of 'We did an OOOPs on the fuel numbers'.
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jul 23, 2008 6:09 am) |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 23, 2008 6:18 am) http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nyt-previews-the-hondaacura-tsx-diesel/ |
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 21, 2008 5:55 pm) 
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Replying to: biker4 (Aug 02, 2008 12:21 pm) Its lunch is, however, NOT being eaten in relation to all the other midsize sedans on the market, although Altima and soon Malibu are conspiring to make Accord's life uncomfortable.
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:49 am) |
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Replying to: blufz1 (Aug 03, 2008 3:58 pm)  Accord is selling slightly more than Civic for the year, but for a couple of months Civic was selling more strongly. Civic is up more for the year (15%) than Accord is (12%) despite the fact that the Civic is older. And Accord isn't selling MUCH more than Civic, with a 13K-unit lead for seven months. THAT'S certainly a big switch from the past. On the Toyota side, Corolla and Camry are both basically flat, Camry going into its third year, Corolla flipping over in March from the 6-year-old model to the new model, with the consequent down-time in production that brings. Camry has about a 35K-sales lead on Accord as of the end of July. Corolla and Civic are virtually a dead heat. Here are the press releases that detail it all: http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008080117514 http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=4649 Another first for Accord is corporate incentivizing in the first model year of a revised model. At least, so I read this week here at Edmunds in a reprint of a magazine editorial. Honda may be less than totally happy with the sales performance of the latest Accord model. Adding a diesel to combat Camry's hybrid would be just the ticket, I think, and with that diesel all set to come to America in the TSX, it seems almost foolhardy not to offer it in the Accord at the same time....
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 03, 2008 11:22 pm)
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