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Honda Accord, Diesel
#647 of 749 Re: -Can't wait that long! [dudleyr]
Jan 23, 2008 (4:27 pm)
"That is huge. My father has been nursing his Passat along until the Accord diesel came out. He can't wait another year though. He was planning on September (or hopefully sooner).
Looks like a Jetta will have to do. "
Dudleyr, I know EXACTLY how he feels. My 1998 Accord V6 now has 236,000 miles on it and have been counting on the Accord diesel by the end of this year. At 25,000 miles/year, 2 more years is a little more than I really want to do. Its coming due for timing belt #3, and all that goes with it. Another $1000 easy. Come on Honda!! Give us the next generation accord!
#648 of 749 Re: -Can't wait that long! [bob757fl]
Feb 13, 2008 (2:38 pm)
I just read an article about the Honda Tourer coming out in '09. My question is Honda going to have a DIESEL in either the '08 or '09 and will there be one in the Accord as originally stated?
Pls reply to: kmil123msn.com
#649 of 749 Re: -Can't wait that long! [kmil]
Feb 16, 2008 (11:14 am)
The Tourer is for the EuroAccord - not USDM Accord. It has had a diesel for number of years. As of now Honda said officially that the Acura TSX will get the diesel in 09. No 08 model will have a diesel and it's unknown what if any 09 will get one.
#651 of 749 Re: - 2009 European Honda Tourer with Diesel [donegal]
Feb 20, 2008 (9:50 am)
That article has little relevance now that Honda released the info about the TSX - other than the fact that the TSX will remain a rebadged EuroAccord like the current gen. The diesel details will point toward what can be expected in the TSX diesel.
Mar 23, 2008 (7:11 am)
Problem with Hybrids now is they use old fashioned GASOLINE. Tier2 Bin5 Diesel WITH Hybrid....now that's something to be happy about.
#653 of 749 Re: Why no mention [mtlew]
Mar 23, 2008 (7:15 am)
Why a sedan?
I want the Torque. The VW Tiguan will tow 2 1/2 Tons...which is amazing. That's what diesel is known for aside from a third better mileage....and you can make it yourself and you're not as dependant on people who don't like us.
My dream is a SUV type not so big w/ good towing and with Tier2 Bin5 clean Diesel matched with Hybrid= 40-60 mpg.
This is Doable.
#654 of 749 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense
Jul 18, 2008 (7:54 am)
From a business standpoint, Honda really needs to get the diesel into the 2009-model year Accord. I'm sure the current Camry, Altima, Aura and Malibu Hybrids, or even the regular gas-powered engines of these models, are really dipping into its core business with the increase in gas prices and the fact that the 2008 Accord, with it's body-size growth, isn't nearly as fuel efficient as consumers had hoped and come to expect from Honda. For consumers to move down to a Civic for fuel efficiency takes them out of the "family" car segment, and for consumers to upgrade to an Acura TSX for a diesel does not make sense for a few different reasons:
In the current down economy, you are not going to get many consumers to fork over thousands more for an essentially re-branded Accord with a few more gimmicks just to get a family-sized car with a diesel engine.
Fuel companies are not likely to expand diesel fuel availability for TSX-only sales volume, however TSX and Accord sales volume would garner much more attention with the Accord being one of the top selling models in NA.
With engineering and development costs for the new NA-based diesel engine, there just isn't enough TSX market volume for Honda to justify putting the diesel in the TSX first without putting it in the Accord at the same time. If the diesel offering ultimately fails in the market in the TSX only, there isn't enough TSX sales volume to recover the costs, and to have them rush to put it into the Accord to recover the costs will not work since, in this scenario, the market has already seen the diesel fail in the TSX. If the diesel offering fails in the market while being offered in both the Accord and TSX at the same time, the likelihood of cost recovery is much better.
The typical TSX shopper is generally in a different (higher) income class that is not as focused on gas prices (and probably not as focused on helping the environment) as the average income family-sized car shopper.
Thus, the consumer's only other current option would be to turn to other manufacturers' offerings. Additionally, there are numerous new offerings coming to market in CY2009 that Honda really needs to compete with to remain viable as a fuel-efficient family-sized car manufacturer (namely a Fusion hybrid and Jetta diesel). I cannot imagine the folks at Honda have not planned for this (if they haven't, I will be very disappointed), and with diesel technology already tried and tested in Europe with great success for many, many years now, there really isn't much pressure to bring a diesel engine to the NA market in the Accord with gas prices being at their current levels with no expectation of them decreasing significantly below the current levels ever again (maybe $2.50 or $3.00 per gallon, but that's about it).
Yes, diesel prices are definitely higher than gas prices, but that has not always been the case, and they are usually parallel in their price movement, so if one goes up, the other will likely go up, and vice versa. Even if diesel prices did stay higher than unleaded prices, you are talking about $0.80/gallon more right now in the northeast which, on a 15-gallon fill-up, would only cost you another $12/fill-up to gain on average 10 to 15 more miles per gallon. Figure it this way, if you get 350 miles on a 15-gallon tank at $4.00/gallon of unleaded fuel, you are spending roughly $.17/mile. If you average 10 more miles per gallon (probably worst-case scenario) with a diesel engine, you would get 500 miles on a 15-gallon tank. At $4.80/gallon of diesel fuel, you would be spending roughly $.14/mile, $0.03/mile better than a regular gasoline engine, and remember again that this is probably a worst-case scenario.
#655 of 749 Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [beerbaronhomer]
Jul 18, 2008 (3:16 pm)
The Accord is getting a V6 Diesel in 2011.
#656 of 749 Re: 2009 Model-Year Accord Diesel Makes Complete Business Sense [blufz1]
Jul 21, 2008 (5:55 pm)
Gee, I hope not. I always assumed that in typical Honda fashion, they would bring in the 4-cylinder diesel for other models once they staged its much bally-hooed debut in the TSX next year. Why use it in just one model?
It's just the latest in a mile-long list over the years of Honda keeping things close to its chest. You watch: by Christmas next year Accord diesels will be for sale. Honda needs a more fuel-efficient Accord ASAP, its lunch is getting eaten by everyone, even CHEVY for goodness' sake.