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Future Vehicles Honda Accord Diesel????
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Replying to: dudleyr (May 16, 2005 10:39 am) |
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The right conversion to the US mpg would be: 5.4 = 43.5 still VERY good!!! I made a table with the conversion I know it doesn't line up nicely but I just pasted it from Excel (was a pain to debug that formula): l/100km 4 4.5 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 mpg 58.80 52.26 47.04 42.76 39.20 36.18 33.60 l/100km 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 mpg 29.40 27.67 26.13 24.76 23.52 22.40 21.38 l/100km 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 mpg 19.60 18.09 16.80 15.68 14.70 13.83 13.07 l/100km 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 mpg 12.38 11.76 11.20 10.69 10.23 9.80 9.41 I just read a test and they had a high-speed over 24 hours with 130mph AVEERAGEand after that they had a fuel efficiency test in which they drove on a highway at what they called moderate speeds (assuming something like 50mph and no traffic) and they made over 70 mpg (this is what I calculated from 3.07 l/100km) you know if you are really up to saving fuel and the conditions allow it, then I would assume 50+ mpg are doable...and they claim for the Euro Accord 52 mpg (calculated from 4.5 l/100km) highway and 32 mpg (also calculated from 7.1 l/100km) city... Now compared with the BMW 320d with 163 HP and 235 ft lb of torque: 0-60 in 8.2 top speed of 140 combined MPG 41 I have droven a slowed down version of this one (called 318d, but the same engine with less HP) and I must say this is not a killer in speed like the 330/530d, but I wouldn't call it slow. Given that, I would hope, Honda might give their engine a bump in displacement let's say from 2.2 liters to about 2.4... |
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Replying to: dewey (May 16, 2005 9:32 am) One other thing to remember when talking about milage. Once you get past 40MPG+ the extra gains become less important. So the Prius crowd bragging about their 60 MPG (which only the EPA can get) is not that much further ahead than a diesel Accord (which on the highway can probably equal or beat a Prius). The big gains are achieved by folks trading in their 15MPG SUVs.
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Replying to: biker4 (May 16, 2005 11:40 pm) A deal breaker for me would be a significantly more pricey diesel TSX. BMW and Honda appear to be introducing N. American diesels at about the same time 07/08. For the extra bucks I would prefer a RWD BMW 320d/330d over a FWD TSX any day. |
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"TSX gets nowhere near 40MPH - moe like 31 Hwy auto and 29 hwy manual. Despite this, a turbo diesel 2.2L would be most welcome. Their tests in Europe showed it is an excellent engine." Actually I said the Corolla and Civic get 40 mpg. I was using them as an example to show that there are already plenty of cars that get great mileage that are approximately the size of the TSX. That is why I think the diesel would be more logical in the larger Accord.
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Replying to: dudleyr (May 17, 2005 7:08 am) I was just thinking...if Honda introduces their Diesel in North America, then they seem to want to start off with the Acura TSX. Nice and dandy... BUT!!! I agree that they won't make much money that way, which doesn't necessarily need to be their #1 goal (Acura is not that big volume either...compared to like Lexus or so...) Could you guys imagine them putting that exact engine in a couple different cars, let's say the: - Accord (as a economic/ cheap family sedan around 20k) - Civic (that would be a blast to drive...  MIGHT not fit in the engine bay) - CRV (this might sell very well...SUV and diesel, like the Jeep Liberty...) - Element (why not, right?) Basically anything that uses the 2.4l 4 cylinder... ??? I think out of all Japanese brands Honda is the best prepared for the Diesel future. Although Nissan might bring some good surprises, too. |
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Try this for accurate fuel conversion: http://tdiclub.com/misc/conversions.html The Honda i_ctdi diesel is available in the CR-V: http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/driving-impressions-2005/H/honda-cr-v-diesel/cr-v-- diesel.html http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2400214&fSectionId=1566&fSetId=381 |
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Thanks for the converison site... This link shows some of the projects in Diesel technology. http://www.greencarcongress.com/diesel/ Looks like Nissan (yeah I know this is about Honda...) could have some Diesels pretty fast over here, too. They (Renault) have a 3.0l V6 turbo diesel with 177 HP and 260 ft lb. The link is to show which car it is used in right now. Plus they also have a similar engine to the Honda one (2.2l 150 HP). I really can't wait to see how all this will play out. renault diesel review Alright hold on: Check this out!!!  new toyota diesel 2.2l 175 HP 295!!! ft lb WOW!!!  35 MPG combined...thought it would be more...
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Replying to: rl81 (May 17, 2005 4:49 pm)
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Replying to: 307web (May 17, 2005 6:34 pm) If Honda and BMW reportedly will bring Diesels to the US, what makes you think others don't have similar plans? What I wanted to say with this post is that the technology base already exists...a few adaptations and the market will move fast...
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