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Re: Right.. I remember [brian76] by texases
Jul 23, 2008 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: brian76 (Jul 23, 2008 11:48 am)

Well, there are several explanations: 1: He's blowing smoke; 2: He's driving more carefully now that he's concerned about his mileage; and 3: It actually works...my money's on some combination of 1 and 2 until I see some reliable data from carefully instrumented tests by a reliable source. I just get skeptical when violation of basics laws of physics are involved...
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Re: Right.. I remember [texases] by pf_flyer HOST
Jul 23, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jul 23, 2008 3:28 pm)

Very well said on the reasons for being a skeptic. One other I would add is that if it's that easy and inexpenisive to do, then SOMEBODY would legitimately be making millions on it by now.
 
A product that everyone would want that actually does what it says it does and fills a real need? Textbook formula for success.
 
And since the lack of that success can only be explained away with a "conspiracy that's supressing the idea"... well, I think I'll pass on the tin foil hat
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Re: Right.. I remember [pf_flyer] by brian76
Jul 23, 2008 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 23, 2008 5:59 pm)

Wow ! you are a tough crowd! I think this whole idea is facinating. any middle school science teacher can show you how to make hydrgen gas bubble out of a mixture of water and baking soda by using a 9 volt battery, a little wire and a carbon pencil. Surely you don't argue that? If you introduce hydrogen into the gas/oxygen mix in an internal combustion engine, the gas burns more efficiently.Poof... magic? No, just a simple fact. I suggest you go on youtube and see what's being done by everything from good mechanics to hacks, right on video. they show you (for free) how to make all different types of little hydro-generators that do just that. I found it most instructive. Just avoid the videos made by the hucksters out to sell you something and look at the poorly done ones by real folks.
I only wish one of you (since you seem to be intelligent and I assume mechanically inclined) would spend the 30 or so bucks for parts and build one as shown on youtube and then determine how much worse mileage you get. I'll bet a couple of guys like you could each whip one out and install it in an afternoon. I will have to go slower than you since I am not a mechanic or a physicist or a hydrogen expert like you. If that sounds cynical it's to show you how unpleasent your cynicism sounds.
Sorry. But seriously ..there is a ton of interresting stuff on this subject on youtube.
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Re: Right.. I remember [brian76] by texases
Jul 23, 2008 (9:07 pm)
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Replying to: brian76 (Jul 23, 2008 8:53 pm)

You've not read many posts here, apparently. Of course you can make hydrogen, you just can't make hydrogen efficiently enough for it to help. You lose about 80% of the energy released to heat when you burn it. Can't make money when you spend 5 to get 1. Re youtube - nothing on there can be taken at face value. Salesmen can make anything look good.
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Re: Right.. I remember [texases] by brian76
Jul 24, 2008 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: texases (Jul 23, 2008 9:07 pm)

so why not make one as per some of the free instructions on youtube and prove your theory. aren't you even curious? Youtube is changing the world. There is no commercial backing there so you can actually wade through and figure out what's real. Did you look at the videos on youtube. Wait, wait ...I can hear your response already.....'I don't have to look at them to know they are selling something, or are just plain wrong".
My friend, not everyone is a scammer or out to get you, or dumber than you. Have an open mind. the world is still changing. I could understand your off the cuff dismisal of the whole thing if we were talking about running an engine solely on hydrogen generated from water by use of electric current from the alternator (that's your perpetual motion machine.) we are only discussing boosting gasoline efficiency here by introducing some hydrogen to the mix.
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Re: Right.. I remember [brian76] by texases
Jul 24, 2008 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: brian76 (Jul 24, 2008 9:45 am)

Sorry, I have seen the web sites, waded through their BS, and have read not one single explanation that made technical sense. Most sites start off with outright lies. So I will waste no time on even less reliable and undocumented videos. Don't listen to me, fine. But if these things worked 1/10th as well as the claims, don't you think every car and truck using business and government entity would be all over them? Is everybody stupid except these scammers? Don't think so.
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History by pf_flyer HOST
Jul 24, 2008 (11:17 am)
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This idea has been around for a LONG time and you'd think that by now somebody would have made a commercial go of it before.
 
Back in the "gas shortages" of the 1970's (pre-YouTube) these same claims were made. Magazines were filled with ads for products that claimed could increase your car’s mileage by 20% or 40% or even double your gas mileage “for free”. Here's a full list of the companies that made their fortunes marekting this miracle product..
 
So forgive those of us who understand that "too good to be true" usually means just that.
 
Let's leave THIS discussion for talk of hydrogen fuel cells (a different thing althogether) and move this talk over to HHO kits - Do they really work?

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