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Re: hydrogen enhanced [texases] by paisan
May 21, 2008 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: texases (May 19, 2008 7:18 pm)

Obviously you didn't read what I posted. I was using those #s as an example, I have no idea if they are correct or not. For all I know it may be 1mpg cost and 1mpg gained. Of course I'd need to test it and see.
 
And your alternator does produce more electricity than you use, or else if you turned on one extra accessory the car would stall out!
 
-mike
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Re: hydrogen enhanced [paisan] by texases
May 21, 2008 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 21, 2008 3:38 pm)

OK, I just wanted to make sure it was an example. Here's another way to think about it - your engine can put out, say, 100 hp. You're driving along at 30 mph, using, say, 20 hp. Are those 80 hp available for free? Nope. Same deal with the alternator. It can put out more electricity as needed. Last time for me....
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Re: hydrogen enhanced [paisan] by mort4371
May 21, 2008 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 21, 2008 3:38 pm)

And your alternator does produce more electricity than you use, or else if you turned on one extra accessory the car would stall out!
 
The alternator CAN produce lots of electricity, up to whatever its rating. It DOES produce exactly the amount being used elsewhere in the car (lights, ignition, audio, fans, etc, etc) at any given time. If there's 'extra' electricity being produced at any given moment, where is it going?
 
Every load on an alternator is a load on the engine; just a very small one. Every added load on the alternator is an added load on the engine. Your cellphone charger is probably costing you 0.00001 mpg (again, as you say, examples). One of these mason-jar contraptions might cost 0.003 mpg worth of electricity, and might generate sufficient hydrogen to gain back 0.001mpg of that, so the net loss is only 0.002 mpg.
 
There is no free energy. I wish there were. The world would be an amazing place. Forget Kyoto -- forget reducing carbon emissions by a few percent -- we could cut carbon emissions to pre-industrial levels. Water-fueled power plants...just taking the 'extra' electricity from the generators, to split water, to make hydrogen, to burn in the turbines, to spin the generators, to power the grid, and using the 'extra' to split more water, etc...
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Hydrogen Fuel by pengibella
May 24, 2008 (7:48 am)
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Do you think it is possible to retro fit cars with hydrogen units? What do you think of this site.
www.hfactorfs.com
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mine fits just fine by mrclean5
May 24, 2008 (8:46 am)
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i had no problem in refitting my car to run on hydrogen i di have some bugs to work out of the system such as my computer was reading the fuel to be way too lean and tries to adjust but when it can't shuts off my hydro unit but ithink i may have solved that problem
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Re: Hydrogen Fuel [pengibella] by texases
May 24, 2008 (3:10 pm)
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Replying to: pengibella (May 24, 2008 7:48 am)

Can you do it? Yes. Will it make hydrogen that burns in your car? Yes, but you'll have to monkey with you intake system in ways the EPA never intended. Will you save gas? No, you can't take engine power to generate electricity, split water, and burn the gas (getting only 20% of the energy back), and get better mileage. Nope, no way, no how.
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Re: Hydrogen Fuel [texases] by blackza
Jun 20, 2008 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 24, 2008 3:10 pm)

Hey i actually found a crazy guide that shows you how to burn hydrogen in your engine with the help of a , simple conversion kit
 
According to the site, you can get more than 20% of your energy back as long as you install a hydrogen tank to store the gas, and what does the EPA know? It seems all they do is sit back while Bush deregulates everything and help destroy the environment, and promote corn Ethanol!!!!
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Re: Hydrogen Fuel [blackza] by tedebear
Jun 20, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: blackza (Jun 20, 2008 11:59 am)

Hey i actually found a crazy guide that shows you how to burn hydrogen in your engine
 
Stick to eBay. Spamming isn't permitted on here.
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Re: Hydrogen Fuel [texases] by pengibella
Jun 22, 2008 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 24, 2008 3:10 pm)

Ok as far as monkey with your intake system H factors hydrogen is injected a head of the mass airflow sensor so no we don't monkey with the intake system. Will you save gas? - YES. Anytime you make a motor more efficient and it's use of fuel that efficiency transfers to more miles per gallon. As far as the energy it takes to start the process, which is amps, the h factor draws less than it takes to turn on your brake lights. Visit the web site and checkout the videos. link title

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