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Replying to: hhogas (May 19, 2008 5:10 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 19, 2008 5:20 am) Don't even bother with the people now and in days to come who bring that stuff here. Separating water into hydrogen and oxygen consumes the exact (for discussion purposes) same amount of energy that burning the hydrogen (combining it back into water) produces. And, since no system or cycle runs at 100% efficiency, you actually get back *less* energy. Picture a long rod with two heavy, equally weighted balls on the two ends. It is on a spindle in the center, so it can rotate. If you give it a spin, it will spin for a while, slowing down, and eventually stop. Friction losses. NOW, here's my pitch: I'm going to tell you that the energy produced by the falling ball on this same setup is somehow enough to raise the ball on the other end of the rod. AND turn a generator to provide my home with free electricity, AND overcome all the friction losses. All I have to do is give this baby one spin, walk away, and it will forever provide my home with a few kilowatts of free power, using nothing but gravity! "Power your home for FREE using a force as old as Newton -- GRAVITY!!! Tell the electric company to hit the road!!!!" (Sounds good! Maybe I should be a shyster too. lol) As ridiculous as that sounds, it's no different that someone telling you that you can use a car engine to generate electricity, which will be used to generate hydrogen from water, which will be burned back into water in that engine, producing yet more electricity, to make yet more hydrogen, etc, etc, etc...AND move your car down the road in the process.
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Replying to: mort4371 (May 19, 2008 7:41 am) |
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i have a set up on my car that uses water and baking soda mixture that produces an HHO gas enhancement on my towncar i have been getting approx. 48 miles to a gallon of enhanced gas  62miles per hour so go scoff at or bark at he moon if you wish my car battery is the primary electrical source that powers my hydrogen enhancement...i love it.
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Replying to: mrclean5 (May 19, 2008 10:28 am) And where does your battery get its energy? The car's motor - no free lunch here, except for people that sell these things!
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Replying to: texases (May 19, 2008 10:42 am) |
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Replying to: mrclean5 (May 19, 2008 10:28 am) ...and so now, once again, we all are dying to know how it is set up and how it works! Can you provide a picture of YOUR system and describe how to set it up? I'll bet you can't (because these items don't work - I've read the "documentation" and it sounds great, but it's essentially the same as cold fusion...non-existant) If I see it in action, I'll change my mind and buy one for everyone I know.
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Replying to: percussionist (May 19, 2008 5:03 pm) -mike
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Replying to: paisan (May 19, 2008 5:23 pm) I thought any excess electricity can be sold back to the utility company...or does that only apply for things like homes and windmills that generate electricity?  I'd love to see a pic or two of this device on his vehicle. If it works as well as he claims I might even buy one for my bicycle. Oh wait, I already get better fuel efficiency with it than any gas powered vehicle in the world. Perhaps I wouldn't even have to turn the pedals. Coolness. 
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Replying to: paisan (May 19, 2008 5:23 pm) Sorry, this is the lie all these HHO folks use to get their foot in the door. You can test this for yourself on most cars. Sit in park at idle, turn on the fan high and the highbeams, and it'll usually drop rpms. There is NO excess electricity available for free from the alternator. The alternator can supply additional electricity to a larger load, but that takes power directly from the engine. If the alternator was putting out all this extra electircal power, there would have to be some big electrical device soaking it up.
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