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Re: It will be mine [phishman]
by tbone5660
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Aug 19, 2005 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: phishman (Aug 19, 2005 8:25 am)
The standard SVT Cobra is supposed to be close to the same as it has always been, around $34,995,00.The sticker on the Shelby GT-500 they say,will be $39,995,00. But both prices could change before mid 2006. It all depends on how many units of both they will produce. And only the top dogs within SVT know this answer. The price on the standard SVT Cobra will be more stable compared to the Shelby. They will make less of the Shelby and prices will vary everywhere. Dealers will significantly mark up prices to make a quick buck. All because they know the Shelby will be a short production model.
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- #80 of 97
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Re: It will be mine [tbone5660]
by tbone5660
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Aug 19, 2005 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: tbone5660 (Aug 19, 2005 12:37 pm)
To get things straight, the projected lineup for 2007 will be. The Shelby GT-500, the SVT Cobra, and the new 500hp SVT Lightning. All three will be launched as a 2007 in mid 2006 (May). The plan was to release the SVT Lightning this year as a 2006 model, but that fell out. So now ford will pack a punch in the automotive industry with the three being released for 2007. Keep your fingers crossed! 
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- #81 of 97
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Re: It will be mine [tbone5660]
by burglarman
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Aug 19, 2005 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: tbone5660 (Aug 19, 2005 3:56 pm)
I have found a dealer and he has accepted my $10,000 deposit. The plan is the order to be completed by Dec 31 and delivery sometime in the summer
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- #82 of 97
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Re: It will be mine [burglarman]
by phishman
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Aug 22, 2005 (4:40 am)
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Replying to: burglarman (Aug 19, 2005 7:07 pm)
Whoa! Isn't that a lot to put down for a deposit. What happens if it falls through? Do you get your money back? What is the name and where is this dealership? Thanks tbone & burglarman for all the info.
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- #83 of 97
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Re: It will be mine [phishman]
by tbone5660
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Aug 22, 2005 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: phishman (Aug 22, 2005 4:40 am)
What dealership, which state? What model, the Shelby or SVT Cobra?
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- #84 of 97
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Re: Where so I sign? [tbone5660]
by starboardside
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Aug 25, 2005 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: tbone5660 (Aug 17, 2005 2:40 pm)
This is simply not true. Allocations are generally based on the previous year's sales. Special edition models may be based on a composite of several previous models. I own a dealership (NOT Ford), and if I sell 15 of a particular unit, you can bet the manufacturer will want to put 15 more in my hands the next year. To state that dealerships have to have their confirmed allocations in hand before they can take money down is to state that no Ford dealers have money down yet on the new Shelby. I placed money down on a GT500 in March 2005. I'll bet many others have since, yet (to my knowledge) no Ford dealers have their allocations as of August, 2005. I think this misunderstanding is based on people's beliefs that they are actually sending their money to Ford Motor Company. This money is held by the independently franchised dealer, NOT Ford.
We will take money down on hot new models before allocation, with the agreement that it will be refunded if we cannot meet the commitment (which HAS happened to us on one occasion in 2000). Money down is an agreement (contract) between an individual and a franchised dealer, and as such, does not require approval of the manufacturer. The manufacturer can become involved if the contract is not honored.
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- #85 of 97
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Re: Where so I sign? [starboardside]
by tbone5660
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Aug 25, 2005 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: starboardside (Aug 25, 2005 10:38 am)
And when was the last time ford sold a Shelby Cobra... They will not allocate the new Shelby based on the sales of the old Shelbys, its a new time and age. Dealerships have not been allocated their Shelbys yet. This is what I have said from the beginning. Every SVT dealer I have talked to in the state of TX and LA has told me that deposits are non-refundable. And what happens if there is a problem found, and they dont release the car at all? Then your stuck waiting till mid 2007 or 2008. Its very unlikely this late in time but what if.
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- #86 of 97
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Re: Where so I sign? [tbone5660]
by starboardside
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Oct 13, 2005 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: tbone5660 (Aug 25, 2005 1:51 pm)
Of course allocations will not be based on 1970 Shelby sales, but likely by a composite of previous Cobra and Mustang sales, as I stated. Non-refundable deposits are largely a myth. As a franchised, legitimate dealer, it is very difficult for us to justify keeping a deposit when the customer wants it back. No successful dealership (or other business) has built its reputation by stealing peoples money. Keeping someone's money without completing a contract is easily disputed in small claims court, if it ever got that far. If someone actually signs a non-refundable contract, it might be different. Dealerships are telling you its non-refundable to weed out the guys who are likely to want their money back. Its an unnecessary waste of time to go through the down payment process, and then refund it later. Having said that, a dealer can take money down at any time, regardless of allocations. Dealerships are independently owned businesses, and have rights granted to them by franchise law. The factory simply is not going to get involved ( and by franchise agreement, cannot get involved) at this level. True cases of fraud would be different. I am not trying to be-labor this point, I am simply stating that I own a franchised dealership, am bound by franchise law and contract, and a lot of the stuff on this forum is simply not true. Successful dealerships have very little, if any, factory involvement in their day-to-day operations.
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- #87 of 97
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Do the Math $$$
by pony_pirate
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Nov 19, 2005 (6:36 pm)
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Went down and talked to the dealer face-to-face about the GT500. First, they don't know anything about colors, options, MSRP, anything for sure.
Second, this guy guessed MSRP would be low to mid $40's, not the under $40 bandied about here.
Third, he wanted a 5% markup over MSRP, whatever that turns out to be -- the markup is in the written contract. This, of course, is on top of the 10-11% markup they already get, the difference between dealer cost and MSRP, wholesale and retail.
Paying a markup of 15-16% is a deal-breaker for me. A final total cost of close to $50k (fees, license, taxes, options) is also a deal breaker. I just won't do it -- it's a matter of value.
They're just taking advantage pure and simple. Let them find some other sucker. As I see it, the car is worth, total price, around $40k, give or take $2-3k, max. Put another way, I'm willing to pay no more than $15k over what I paid for my GT Premium, loaded, or around a $45k total take-home price, loaded.
To keep some perspective, for $50k you can get TWO V6 Mustangs. For a little more than $50k you can get a C6.
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Quoted a Price on the Shelby
by diverg
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Nov 25, 2005 (6:56 am)
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I just got a call from my dealership that I've bought from before. Salesman told me that they are in fact getting ONE in next year and they want to pre-sell it before it hits the lot. They are not having an auction, instead they are setting the price at $75,000 with a $15,000 deposit first come first serve. I guess if they can get it why not but I have a feeling that I will watch this one for a while. I am glad I didn't go with my first impulse and agree because I truly believe if the 75K number is easily doable, they would auction (that's what they did with 2 GT's). So there it is. My car is waiting for me for 75K. I think I'm going to have to pass.
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