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Honda Insight, Hybrid Cars
Oct 13, 2004 (6:05 pm)
___The Insight will be available in 2005 w/ no changes. It will be available to those that order one as of this writing. If you order one through your Honda dealership, you can expect to pay close to or at MSRP. You might find a dealership to order one for a grand or so over Invoice if you place a non-refundable large percentage of MSRP down payment possibly? MSRP or anything close to that price for any Hybrid is ridiculous imho. 2004 MY Insightís production was halted in early summer IIRC and the same can be expected for 2005 if history repeats itself.
___Given the Insightís low volume and unprofitable status per vehicle built, Honda is not going to improve upon there current capabilities or attributes at this point in time. Maybe if gasoline climbed to $6.00/gallon or more and people finally got serious about fuel economy and purchased boatloads of Insightís, Honda might invest in improvements or an Insight II. As it stands, Honda still has the highest fuel economy capable automobile in the Insight available anywhere including the POS Lupo available in Europe.
___As for the mild/full hybrid discussion. I donít know of any automobile available to us anywhere that has hit > 95 mpg in the city or > 115 mpg out on the highway. With that, the Insight 5-speed is your best choice for maximum fuel economy available anywhere. An Insight also forces one to sacrifice in areas one may not wish too. Some of these sacrifices include performance, ride, and handling and are inherent sacrifices to all hybrids available to date in one form or another. All of this doesnít really matter of course because if you want greater fuel economy; you can achieve it from the vehicle you currently drive Ö if you so desire. Unfortunately, the practical fuel economy limits of all other automobiles can not come close to the fuel economy capabilities of an Insight 5-speed no matter how much we all wish our present automobiles (Hybridís, Dieselís, or std. ICEís) fuel economy to improve Ö
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___2000 Honda Insight 5-speed #203 - 92.5 lmpg
#38 of 181 Re: [xcel]
Oct 14, 2004 (11:55 am)
Thanks for the "insight".... especially on the pricing aspects. It would be difficult to place a large and/or non-refunable deposit having never even sat in one, let alone test driving one. Wonder why they'd only order one for you under those circumstances... if they are in demand, would seem they'd leap at (any) opportunity to order one. Then if you back out, they've got another to sell.
How much lower MPG do you think there would be for the CVT? Your mileage is MUCH above the EPA estimates. Wonder if the continuously-variable transmission model could also be expected to beat the estimates?
Have you ever experienced problems with the gas engine restarting so often (sounds like it will cycle on and off at every stop in city driving... quite an exercise for a starter)?
Oct 14, 2004 (12:16 pm)
The problem is that they are not in demand.
Honda keeps making them because they can have the bragging rights for the highest mpg vehicle. This gets a lot of free publicity for Honda.
XCEL is a pretty phenomenal driver for getting high mileage. I don't think many people can come close to what he can do. However, I think you can reasonably expect to get the EPA estimates and maybe a little better if you follow guidelines for getting maximum mileage.
Oct 14, 2004 (12:46 pm)
From my experience(around 35k miles), you can expect around 56 mpg in mixed driving from the cvt. I am not sure how that relates to the epa estimates. the 5-speed has a few advantages (more control of auto-stop, lean burn, etc) that result in greater potential impact on mpg by driving style.
As for the starter, the insight does not use a conventional starter (except as a backup). The electric motor part of the drivetrain is used to start the gas engine.
#41 of 181 Air Conditioner Cooling?
Oct 20, 2004 (4:17 am)
Wayne (Excel) ,
You have a 5-speed Insight. How well does the Insight AC coll down on hot (above 90 degreess0 days?
I had a 1995 Acura Integra GSR and it colled very slow, maybe 5 minutes before you had real cold air. After I put in a cold air intake ( clear up a lot of the space take up by the factory air filter) it cooled much faster, taking only 1 minute.
P.S.- If I could ever find a car dealer that had a 5-speed Insight in stock that I could test drive, I might buy one. I am just not sure if I could handle the perfomance. However, I have test driven a Jetta TDI 5-speed twice and was pleased with the performance.
P.S.S. -Wayne thanks for all of your insight and comments on the Hybrid forums. I for one really appreciate your knowledge and your point of view. Most of the time I fully agree with you!
Oct 20, 2004 (3:01 pm)
Greetings; On both of my Insights the AC has cooled the interior down very quickly, even on 103 degree days. Concerning the earlier post: Yes, Wayne is probably the best at getting high mpg. But really, any driver who WANTS to can do nearly the same thing, by re-thinking things in terms of: high tire pressure, slowing down, highway driving only, momentum, keeping OFF the brake pedal, very gradual acceleration, lean burn, watching the instant mpg graph. Billy....
#43 of 181 Re: Air Conditioner Cooling? [midnightcowboy]
Oct 20, 2004 (4:08 pm)
Every car I've ever owned or ridden in that had a properly functioning A/C had/has cold air within seconds. I must say my current '00 Civic hatch requires a higher fan setting than most to stay comfortable but it does the job & there's cold air from the get-go.
Xcel is a master at squeezing everything possible from a gallon of gas but I agree anyone who wants better MPG from whatever they drive can do so with some simple steps http://www.drivecleanacrosstexas.org/ - Astros in 7 !
#44 of 181 Just happened yesterday ...
Oct 21, 2004 (4:04 am)
On my way home from work, I usually drive with the fast work flow far left lane. But guess what there was a silver Insight I bascially had trouble keeping up with I guess he was in the correct lane at the right time. He seemed to do okay at 70-80 mph!
My question about the air conditioning was because I agree with Rob , almost all cars I have driven except for one : 1995 Acura Integra GSR, had more than adequate cooling.
Billy, Thanks for your answers.
P.S- Just put new tires, brakes, radiator flush on my commuter car. So I guess it will last a little longer.
Nov 18, 2004 (9:17 am)
Why do people automatically assume the Insight is slow and/or the air conditioning doesn't work?
Seriously, I'd like to know.
I own an Insight and it always amazes me when people come up to me and say, "How slow is it?" (shaking head) I wish people would stop making assumptions.
Anyway, the Insight has a top speed of ~120 mph, and 10.5 second 0-60 acceleration. It's not slow. And the A/C gets so cold I need a winter jacket.
The Insight is just like any other <100 hp car (Focus, Echo, Beetle, et cetera).
#46 of 181 10.5 seconds to 60mph..............................
Nov 23, 2004 (5:15 am)
is near the "slow" end of the range offered by modern vehicles and is the most optimistic that I've seen among Insight test reports. Don't misunderstand, I admire the Insight's technology and consider it the best of the Hybrids thus far (in 5 spd form), but it is slow among modern cars and has modest handling and braking capabilities to boot.