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#161 of 178 Re: Honda Insight hill-climbing [stevedebi] by jefh1

Sep 25, 2009 (11:21 am)

Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 24, 2009 4:50 pm)
Hello Stevedebi,
The Netherlands (special the province Holland) lies for a great part below sealevel and is flat. Except a little piece in the south of the province Limburg. About the line Maastricht, Margraten (with its US-war II cemetery and 8301 soldiergraves) and Aachen (Germany).
Here is the beginning of the Eifel (Germany) and the Ardennes (Belgium). With small hills +/- 0,5 to 2,0 miles and 2 to 5%, some little climbings at 8% ( Valkenburg the Couberg, WC cycling 2012). see www.vvvzuidlimburg.nl/heuvelland. and enjoy.
The Alpes in Germany, France, Switzerland and Austria are for the Dutch beloved holidaycountries.
Regards, jefh1

#162 of 178 Re: Honda Insight hill-climbing [jefh1] by stevedebi

Oct 15, 2009 (1:19 pm)

Replying to: jefh1 (Sep 25, 2009 11:21 am)
"The Netherlands (special the province Holland) lies for a great part below sealevel and is flat. Except a little piece in the south of the province Limburg. About the line Maastricht, Margraten (with its US-war II cemetery and 8301 soldiergraves) and Aachen (Germany).
Here is the beginning of the Eifel (Germany) and the Ardennes (Belgium). With small hills +/- 0,5 to 2,0 miles and 2 to 5%, some little climbings at 8% ( Valkenburg the Couberg, WC cycling 2012). see www.vvvzuidlimburg.nl/heuvelland. and enjoy.
 
Thanks. I must comment that your English is excellent! I lived in far western Germany many years ago, at a small air station in the Eifel. My visits to Holland were to the flat part!
 
You linked to the Dutch language site. Here is the english site.

#163 of 178 Honda Insight Insurance Rates by pf_flyer HOST

Nov 10, 2009 (11:10 pm)

#165 of 178 Insight Insurance Premiums by gagrice

Feb 25, 2005 (10:06 pm)

Do you Insight owners pay more for insurance on the Insight than any other comparably priced car?
Just doing some research...

#166 of 178 Re: Insight Insurance Premiums [gagrice] by xcel

Feb 26, 2005 (7:01 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Feb 25, 2005 10:06 pm)
Hi Gagrice:
 
      Here in Chicago, I pay $560 a year w/ $1,000 deductible and 500K limits. The Corolla was ~ 20% more, the MDX is less by $100, and the Ranger is the same. Given the aluminum body and underpinnings, I am not complaining in the least
 
      Good Luck
 
      Wayne R. Gerdes

#167 of 178 Re: Insight Insurance Premiums [xcel] by gagrice

Feb 26, 2005 (8:39 am)

Replying to: xcel (Feb 26, 2005 7:01 am)
Thank you xcel.
 
That confirms one of my suspicions on the IntelliChoice Cost of Ownership charts. They have a sneaky way of making the cars they want to look good come out looking good. They use the depreciation, maintenance & Insurance figures to tilt the total costs. For example the number one rated Prius they claim will have an insurance bill for 5 years of $6063. The Insight which they rated rather poorly for Cost of Ownership show the insurance costs for 5 years would be $9650. That is $717 more per year than the Prius. They do the same with depreciation. They claim the Insight will depreciate $2700 more in 5 years than the Prius. If they were honest in their Cost to own analysis the Insight and the HCH would have come out as good or better than the Prius. They also show the Prius totally stripped price where the Honda hybrids are all pretty well equipped at the start. That makes a big difference on the overall Cost to Own. One reason I can see for this kind of deception. Toyota has paid advertising on IntelliChoice on almost every web page. I did not see any advertising from Honda. So guess who gets the shaft this year. You pay or we skew the figures to make your car less desirable. How can we trust any of these publications?

#169 of 178 Re: Insight Insurance Premiums [gagrice] by xcel

Feb 26, 2005 (9:32 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Feb 26, 2005 8:39 am)
Hi Gagrice:
 
      Although the Insight and HCH might deprecate faster then a Prius II on a % basis, their initial purchase is lower and I believe the Insurance figures should be lower as well? With all of that, a used Insight is a consideration vs. new given you are looking at south of $20K for initial purchase no matter which one you are looking at. Well sort of … I have seen HCH’s go out in the low $18K range recently. At these prices, you will get hit hard on the resale no matter which hybrid you would consider. A $27,000 Prius II or $32,000 Accord Hybrid? Those guys are going to hurt bad when its time to move on to something else Unless of course gasoline does hit and stays above $3.00/gallon which might be the case from recent Gasoline - Futures pricing activity on the NYMEX this early on in the year before the 05 summer driving season actually arrives.
 
      If someone were purchasing a used Insight for example, they could expect to pay $7.5K for a beat up - high mileage 00 to $12.5K for a well kept - low mileage 02. This type of pricing keeps the TCO reasonable given the much lower initial purchase price and depreciation from those numbers. The same can be said of any vehicle actually. I won’t have final figures until my own 00 Insight sells but here are the prelims if I receive maybe $9,250 - $9,500 for it?
 
                            Year 1
 
Depreciation: $750 - Purchase price - Sale price
Financing: $275 - I actually own mine but someone purchasing a used one might pay this?
Insurance: $560 - This is what I pay in IL.
Taxes and Fees: $770 - State taxes on purchase + TL fees in IL.
Fuel: $709 - 36,200 miles with actual fuel cost, not just 15,000 miles as Edmunds proposes.
Maintenance: $110 - 5 x $22.00 Mobil1 0W-20 and Supertech filter changes.
Repairs: $440 - Cracked windscreen replaced, new RE92 for one w/ a screw in it.
 
Yearly Totals: $ 3,614 over 36,200 miles.
 
      The TCO works out to be almost $0.10/mile vs. Edmunds $0.37/mile for a new one when doing the TCO calculations on an 05 Honda Insight. Again, I ran her for 36,200 miles in a year with the above totals vs. Edmunds 15,000 miles/year basis. They (Edmunds) seems to be high on the MDX, Corolla, and the Ranger’s TCO’s as well. I do not pay MSRP on anything, I receive far in excess of their FE numbers for the fuel cost calculation, and my maintenance and insurance costs are always lower also. Hopefully everyone will find this to be the case with their own automobiles.
 
      Good Luck
 
      Wayne R. Gerdes

#170 of 178 Re: Insight Insurance Premiums [xcel] by gagrice

Feb 26, 2005 (3:16 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Feb 26, 2005 9:32 am)
That is good information to have. For anyone needing a commuter car for one or two people, I don't see how you can do any better than 10 cents a mile. I'm with you on the MSRP selling price. It would be an absolute cold day down below before I would pay close to MSRP for ANY car.

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