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#36 of 87 Re: they're kidding right? [aspesisteve] by john1701a Jul 15, 2004 (10:16 am)
Replying to: aspesisteve (Jul 15, 2004 9:19 am) The humorous part is that the error-of-margin for measuring MPG is actually greater than the MPG improvement itself!   How will anyone even know what benefit they are receiving... unless they only drive on the highway, since there is a ZERO percent improvement for high-speed cruising.   The auto-stop ability is completely worthless unless you actually stop. And because this type of "hybrid" lacks the ability to contribute to propulsion power, driving without any long stoplights won't really benefit either.   How exactly can they claim this is a "hybrid" vehicle? There wasn't even a component change from a design perspective. All they did was increase the size of the already existing battery & starter and change the way they react. All else is the same. The 3 currently available hybrids and the 2 upcoming have much, much greater differences from the traditional design.   If nothing else, the "hybrid" from GM shouldn't cost so much, since they didn't do that much.   JOHN
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#38 of 87 Responding to posts 35 and 36 by logic1 Aug 17, 2004 (5:13 am)
full size pick up trucks are not commuting vehicles, they are work vehicles. When one looks at the hybrid Silverado from a commuter's perspective, it does not seem worth it. From a worker's perspective, its advantages are clearly obvious.   Many people who work with pick ups work in areas where regular grid electric is not available.   Until now, the option was to use generators such as those made by Honda. These generators pollute much more and use more fuel than a stationary V8 auto engine. They are bulky and take up a lot of space that could be used for tools or supplies. Plus, they are frequently stolen and less reliable.   The advantage of having built in generators from both an enviromental and work perspective are obvious to those who know what pick up trucks are for. Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 17, 2004 11:00 am)
#39 of 87 Re: Responding to posts 35 and 36 [logic1] by gagrice Aug 17, 2004 (11:00 am)
Replying to: logic1 (Aug 17, 2004 5:13 am) Your right on target with perspective of the GM hybrid Pickup. What I wonder is if it would not have been more practical to incorporate their hybrid system in to a truck using the Duramax diesel. Diesels are much better for idling power. As improved mileage was not the main goal of this vehicle I wonder if it will sell to the general public. I believe all the first production go to fleet buyers.
#40 of 87 That is a good point by logic1 Aug 18, 2004 (5:10 am)
I think the regulatory framework has to change to allow more diesels. GM probably sells almost its full allotment of diesels in California, Mass. and NY.   GM already makes diesel hybrid city busses.   I imagine a lot of Silverado sales are to fleets. Most construction and agriculture operations have gone corporate. Presumably, these will always be the primary customers for large pick up trucks with built in generators. Replies to this message: john1701a (Aug 18, 2004 6:07 am)
#41 of 87 Re: That is a good point [logic1] by john1701a Aug 18, 2004 (6:07 am)
Replying to: logic1 (Aug 18, 2004 5:10 am) > think the regulatory framework has to change to allow more diesels.   There's no need for it to change. The current restrictions are due to diesel not being able to meet the current emission requirements.   Simply reducing the emissions is all that's needed to be allowed to sell more.   JOHN
#42 of 87 Currently, by logic1 Aug 18, 2004 (6:38 am)
the Federal Government allows refineries to produce an older, sulpher laden diesel that can never burn as clean as gas.   When and if the US goes over to the cleaner diesel, diesel engines will burn cleaner.   Even the best diesel engine will produce more particulate than a comparable gas engine. The European regulators believe the particulates are acceptable considering there is less pollution generated to make the diesel fuel and, of course, there is less fuel burned over all.   My understanding is that even before Arnold became governor, CARB was looking at allowing more particulate in order to accomodate more diesels.   In short, I do not think it is as simple as you suggest.
#43 of 87 Gas Mileage by 88pickup Mar 04, 2005 (9:27 am)
Shouldn't this new truck get better mileage than my old 88? It had a sticker on it of 17 and 19 mpg when bought in 88. It gets in the 14-15 range . I will be checking this out again!! Maybe next year. Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 04, 2005 9:40 am)
#44 of 87 Re: Gas Mileage [88pickup] by gagrice Mar 04, 2005 (9:40 am)
Replying to: 88pickup (Mar 04, 2005 9:27 am) I will be checking this out again!! Maybe next year.   Good idea. GM is totally re-designing their SUV & truck line in 2006. Hopefully they look better than the last few years. I had 1988, 90, & 93 Chevy PU trucks and loved them all. I don't think the hybrid will be sold to the general public, only fleet.
#45 of 87 THIS IS NOT A HYBRID by electrictroy Mar 07, 2005 (12:19 pm)
Replying to: sebring95 (Jun 18, 2004 6:26 am) All it does is "turn off when stopped". Big deal. I can do that NOW with my old car, just by turning the key off.   Also, it still only has ONE source to propel itself down the road (the gasoline engine) & therefore is not gas+electric-motivated vehicle.   trpy

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