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#11 of 87 by maxx4me May 10, 2004 (12:24 pm)
that makes sense that the big V8 with its huge towing capacity would not get the same results. yes, Ford will use the Sanyo battery, and has designed their engine around the Toyota model.
#13 of 87 Perhaps the best environmental benefit by logic1 May 10, 2004 (1:26 pm)
of the Silverado will be the fact it will generate electricity for use at construction and other remote sites.   Generator engines are not regulated. I read once that those commercial Honda generators pollute as much as 4 SUVs.   Having the generator as part of the truck also elminates using the resources to make a generator, lessens the weight load in the truck, and frees up space in the cargo area.
#14 of 87 Yup, it's the total package by stevedebi May 10, 2004 (1:42 pm)
For those who genuinely need a large pickup, mostly construction companies, this is actually a good environmental step to have the electricity. Replies to this message: sebring95 (May 20, 2004 12:37 pm)
#15 of 87 Re: Yup, it's the total package [stevedebi #14] by sebring95 May 20, 2004 (12:37 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (May 10, 2004 1:42 pm) I agree. 10% is substantial in the scheme of things on a truck. Even from a personal prospective, if I was going to buy a good generator for my home I'd spend more than a couple grand. Having all-in-one on the truck would be nice, plus you're not constantly filling the tank like many small generators. The remote power supply is very useful as well, particularly around a farm or construction site.   I think the electrical side of these is very limited for propulsion purposes. I read about it somewhere, but it's nothing like the Prius/Escape type hybrids that are forced to rely on very small gas engines when the batteries are expired. While the chances of draining the batteries on a Prius/Escape will likely be slim in normal driving, it would occur very quickly on a truck that was towing or hauling a large load. So if you put a undersized gas motor on the Silverado along with full-bore hybrid technology, the downside would be it would make a terrible truck.
#16 of 87 You could Do MUCH MUCH MUCH better with a DIESEL SILVERADO by well_informed Jun 17, 2004 (11:34 am)
We're talking about a vehicle that gets 15 MPG, so any realistic improvement in mileage is going to look like a small number.   While I agree with yoru math, you start from a very questionable assumption,   Namely that the EPA alleged 15 mpg will be the REAL Mpg this big truck will obtain.   Have you seen any serious road tests that produced a Real Mpg Number for the Silverado Hybrid?   I have not. And tests like the 6-mile loop they did on the EScape Hybrid, driving totally unrealistically to get the highest possible MPG, are NOT serious tests.   If experience with the Prius and the Honda Hybrids is any Lesson,   the REAL MPG of the truck should be quite different, and less, than the EPA alleged MPG.   In addition, if the truck operates in cold weather, forget about it, all the benefits of the hybrid will evaporate.   BUT most important:   THE IDEAL Engine for any truck or large SUV is a DIESEL, a MODERN Diesel, with its huge torque at useful low RPM.   Unfortunately the big 3 charge $4000 extra for these diesels and few people drive them.   I have seen a Diesel that would make a Ddge Durango get 30 MPG Highweay, vs almsot HALF that with its primitive V-8. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jun 17, 2004 1:26 pm)
#17 of 87 Re: You could Do MUCH MUCH MUCH better with a DIESEL SILVERADO [well_informed #16] by gagrice Jun 17, 2004 (1:26 pm)
Replying to: well_informed (Jun 17, 2004 11:34 am) I have to agree with you on the Silverado Hybrid. Why bother unless it jumps you up to at least 25 mpg around town. I get 14 mpg out of my 99' Suburban & 17-19 mpg on the highway. I am sure the way these things are rushed to market the first Silverado's will spend a lot of time in the warranty shop. Chevy is not big on loaner cars either.
#18 of 87 by terex Jun 18, 2004 (3:52 am)
What's being missed in all this conversation is the cumulative benefit of having hybrid engines on high volume vehicles. The collective benefit of a 10% fuel "saving" on a volume product like fullsize pickups far outweighs the offsets produced by placing hybrids on low volume relatively efficient compact vehicles. As for the diesels, the price premiums dissuade high purchase rates.
#19 of 87 by well_informed Jun 18, 2004 (6:15 am)
18 of 18 by terex Jun 18, 2004 (7:52 am) What's being missed in all this conversation is the cumulative benefit of having hybrid engines on high volume vehicles.   No.   What is really missed is how Ecxpensive Hybrids are to produce, and how LITTLE are the benefits.   One can save just as much gas by driving with the tires properly inflated, avoiding sudden acceleration etc.   When the Prius and the Civic Hybrids came out, they cost $10,000 MORE than they sold for.   Toyota claims now that it can produce the prius at a "profit", but I do not yet buy that.   I suspect that they do not include the huge R&D costs on the vehicle cost.   You can think abnout it and see for yourself:   WHY did the Hybrids fail miserably in EUROPE, where gas ius $5.60 -$5.30 a gallon in the UK and Germany, respectively?   WHY are half new car sales DIESELS, Modern Diesels, NOT your father's Oldsmobile Horrible Diesels, Running on Extra-clean Diesel Fuel, the ultra-low Sulfur variety?   The collective benefit of a 10% fuel "saving" on a volume product like fullsize pickups far outweighs the offsets produced by placing hybrids on low volume relatively efficient compact vehicles.   I am not at all sure that the EPA claim of 10% is an accurate one. IF past hybrid mog is any guide, the REAL LLIFE MPG should be much less, almost Eliminating the benefit of the hybrid. And then you are saddled only with the cost, the expencise repairs and replacements, etc. Good luck..   As for the diesels, the price premiums dissuade high purchase rates.   These premiums are thrust upon the Diesels only HERE in the US by the GREEDY automakers. It is a short-sighted and WRONG policy. In Europe, there is virtually no such premium. Replies to this message: sebring95 (Jun 18, 2004 6:26 am) electrictroy (Mar 07, 2005 12:19 pm)
#20 of 87 Re: [well_informed #19] by sebring95 Jun 18, 2004 (6:26 am)
Replying to: well_informed (Jun 18, 2004 6:15 am) As for the diesels, the price premiums dissuade high purchase rates.   These premiums are thrust upon the Diesels only HERE in the US by the GREEDY automakers. It is a short-sighted and WRONG policy. In Europe, there is virtually no such premium.   Not exactly, the only diesels available in the trucks are heavy-duty nearly over-the-road diesels. Far overkill for the average 1/2 ton truck, that's a fact. The diesel offered by VW in the TDI is about $1,000 more than the base 2.0L gas motor. It's nearly identical in cost to the turbo-charged gas motor. Except on resale value where the diesel is worth thousands more than either gasser. You'll also get the vast majority of the premium back when you sell a diesel pickup. The new Passat TDI is within a couple hundred bucks of the base turbo-gas engine and less than the V6. Replies to this message: electrictroy (Mar 07, 2005 12:19 pm)

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