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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 02, 2006 3:55 pm) Now back to what this thread is about. Hybrid Diesels. For a small fuel efficent car or truck a Hybrid diesel is not cost effective. A diesel engine is more efficent then a gas engine by about 20%. The cost of adding an existing hybrid system to a small diesel will not be recovered for many years after purchase. Think about it. It doesn't pay to spend more then it will save in initial costs. Gm already has a small hybrid diesel. It can't be sold here because of the emissions requirements. This soon will be overcome. But again the existing hybrid systems other then a mild hybrid like the Saturn VUE will cost too much to be practical. There is new engine technology like the Scuderi design which should improve engine efficiency while lowering emissions. Should be more cost effective and practical in the next 5 to 7 years. Why pursue the gas electric which companies like Toyota and Honda are pushing. Your only seeing what is being presented, go deeper. How about the MYT engine. I think its neat but I really don't think it will be fuel efficent. The Scuderi design has the best chance. Have you looked at Eaton's electric hybrid and hydraulic hybrid designs. They use whatever engine the user specs. Guess what! These are all American designs. Go figure, Oh, but what about Toyota. Using old technology found in US engineering schools for years. That is what Teas me off. Just give it all away and our children will pay for their parents buying US technology used overseas and sold back to us and there go the jobs. Go ahead buy Toyota then stick your head in the sand. Be careful soon the US "sand" may be owned by "Toyota". Good Day.
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Replying to: goodcrd (Dec 02, 2006 7:34 pm) No hugging. No vehicle is made by divine hands so all are subject problems and potenial recalls. It's how the problems are handled. After 17 years and $400 in total 'unexpected expenses' they've earned my trust. Even the Prius which had the steering recall done last month cost me nothing and in no way put me out. It's a non-issue, it's fixed, it's done. Now the rest of this rant is just goofieness..some of it's hilarious. 4c? ( You must be kidding ). The best V6 now is made by Toyota or Nissan or even Hyundai. What I'm tying to get through to a Toyota biased person is that Toyota is no better then any other auto maker. So get real. Or could you be employed by Toyota or one of it's dealers? Ask a contractor who depends on their work truck who makes the best truck. Ford!!! And I don't like Fords in general. I like GM and Dodge. GM makes the best V6 engines and most durable transmission in general. Dodge makes the best four cylinder engines and small FWD trans. Ford makes the best breathing V8's and the best Straight 6 cylinder engines. The best V8 is the one use in the Corvette. And Toyota makes Toys for people like you. And wait until you see what the new 5.7L in the Tundra does to the others. It is so far off the scale that you won't believe your eyes. How about this little tidbit. New Tundra 5.7L vs F150 5.4L... The Tundra is faster 0-60 and then brakes to a stop before the F150 even gets to 60. It's ridiculous what this will do to the industry. Only the GMT900's are close to the new Tundra. BTW don't be surprised if Daimler puts a bullet in the head of Dodge and Chrysler and keeps Jeep. Did you see yesterday that in order to move the 2006 RAMs which are becoming lot anchors Dodge has incentives of $15000 !!!! Despite how good they are...  ... apparently it hasn't been reflected in the public's willingness to buy them. Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.. For a small fuel efficent car or truck a Hybrid diesel is not cost effective. You are sure of this now? What if Toyuzu comes out with an $18,000 hybrid diesel that get's 70-80 mpg in 2010? Gm already has a small hybrid diesel. It can't be sold here because of the emissions requirements You will have to give me a link to what this vehicle is because it is unknown to me? You wouldn't be making things up would you now? Where can someone find this small GM diesel hybrid? Oh, but what about Toyota. Using old technology found in US engineering schools for years. That is what Teas me off. Just give it all away and our children will pay for their parents buying US technology used overseas and sold back to us and there go the jobs. Go ahead buy Toyota then stick your head in the sand. Be careful soon the US "sand" may be owned by "Toyota". Good Day. Your anger is getting the better of you again. When GM relocates most of it's facilities to China and Ford sells off it's European parts and moves everything to Mexico and Daimler kills off Dodge and Chrysler... you better hope that Toyota and Honda and Hyundai step in and hire new people to make up for the ones the detroiters ditched.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 02, 2006 10:07 pm) |
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Let's back off on making comments about each other and stick to discussing the vehicles please. It's VERY easy for these things to spiral into personal disputes, so let's back off a bit right now please. |
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Replying to: goodcrd (Dec 02, 2006 10:20 pm) Rather than allowing Toyota to improve on GM's design...GM should just bring it to market first.. get the profits and take the glory.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 03, 2006 7:50 am)
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Replying to: goodcrd (Dec 03, 2006 9:15 am) Seriously now, Maybe that is the very point of all of this. GM should bring this to market in the same way Toyota and Honda did in 2000. Take the risk. It looks good. It'll probably get great gas mileage. Just Do It. Since 2000 Toyota and Honda have shipped nearly 1.0 Million hybrids and gathered all the good press and probably some profit. They took the risk. If the GM product is more than a skin over an idea then put it on the market. If they keep dragging their feet then Toyuzu and Honda and Renault all will have the diesel hybrid here first, making money and getting the good press. Now if it is just a skin over an engineer's dream then maybe it's not ready for the road. You can bet that in 2010 a Toyuzu diesel hybrid will be here. Gm better have this Opel ready as well. GM faithful are dying for GM to do something dramatic, like the Saturn announcement this week, to show that GM understands the surge of buying interest in fuel efficient vehicles. |
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Replying to: goodcrd (Dec 03, 2006 9:15 am) Isn't this vehicle being introduced in Europe? If so then gas prices would have to go down to hit $5/gallon. Actually I've never understood why manufacturers are making hybrid versions of these already fuel efficient vehicles like the 40 mpg Opal. Take a 20 mpg vehicle and increase its fuel efficiency by this same 25% and you'll save twice as much money on fuel. When people talk about not recovering the hybrid premium they seem to rarely mention the resale value. If you get rid of your car after 3 years it will probably be worth about 50% of what you paid for it. So at that time you recover half of the hybrid premium. |
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Replying to: marcb (Dec 08, 2006 11:18 am) I'd buy that car today if it were for sale in the USA. |
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