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gary says "well almost 7 years later and not a single hybrid price has decreased. " Yes, but they have not gone up considerably either. The first Prius was $19,995 base price and today's model, although larger and much more of a car, is base priced in the $21s. That's not a huge increase, and not unlike any car would go up in 7 years. 'Yota has demanded a price reduction and size reduction from their engineers for the next Gen Prius. We shall see. Dodge said the ESX-3 could sell for $28,500 in 1997. Were they lying? 
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 26, 2006 12:46 pm) That was your perfect car. For about what people are paying for much less of a car in the Prius. Was it poor judgment on Chrysler's part. I don't know. You are fudging on the Prius pricing. The lowest level of Prius I have heard about is a 3. It has an MSRP of $25,350 and a TMV here of $27,646. That is 28% increase since I was offered a loaded one for $20k even. That had a bumper to bumper 8 year 100k mile warranty and all service. It was a pretty good deal.
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 26, 2006 1:04 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 27, 2006 8:24 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 27, 2006 8:53 am) I think that we would both applaud some of the diesel/hybrids that are being tested. |
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It seems strange that Toyota sought the link with Isuzu. With Isuzu already making the Duramax for GM, Toyota's purchase looked a little fishy. Then there is this today. Toyuzu hybrid diesel This may be why Toyota has not announced anything about hybrids in the small vehicle segment. This may have been in the works for a while. Can't let Honda get ahead. Honda can't let Toyota get
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2006 9:44 pm) 
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2006 9:44 pm) When the small diesel engines can "affordably" pass the new EPA standards you will see diesel hybrids. GM and Ford don't lag behind any other manufacturer. It all comes down to can they make money off of the product. Right now no. Depending on the market later. Maybe. Now for small diesel hybrids look at the Opel. For a nice Diesel model vehicle look at the Small Caddy and Chrysler models offered oversees. Just think about putting that same Opel engine in a Saturn VUE Hybrid. So don't think just because it comes from overseas it is better then what comes from the US. Ford, GM, and Chrysler sell to the US market what the US market will buy. Most buyers in the US market will not pay 30K+ for a small to midsized car. Try to get a European or a safe Jap model for the same price as a Chevy Impala or a Ford Fusion. Not going to happen. Stop knocking the US offerings. And again I say Honda is all Hype. Treat a Honda the way the average Ford, GM, or Chrysler gets abused and you will find the American cars are more cost effective. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 26, 2006 6:54 am) So MPG is just one concern. Think about it this way. Lets say the Transit system is paying 50 Million a year for fuel. Take 15% due to Hybrid use. 50-7.5=42.5 That's 7.5 million. Use 20% then they reduce their costs by 10 mil. Also the transit bus is kept in service for 12 to 18 years. I'll put it this way. Most transit buses I deal with average 26,000 miles a year of City 5MPH stop and go use. The vehicle is sold for scrap after about 15 years. So 15 times 26,000 is 390,000 miles. The average 40' bus gets 3.5 mpg. The Hybrids are getting 4.2 mpg. 390,000/4.2=92,857 gallons. Now use 3.5 we get 111,428 gallons. Say 18,571 gallons at $2.20 = $40,857. Now add the savings through brake ware. About $4600 per year. Then we get $69,000+41,000=$110,000. Also the lowered PM and NOx emissions to the city air pollution. The extra capital costs of the Hybrids are being covered by the lower costs of operation and impact on the environment. Right now it seems to be a wash. |
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Replying to: goodcrd (Nov 22, 2006 4:13 pm) Where in the world did you get any of this from the post about a Toy-uzu diesel hybrid. Other than the reference to GM/Izuzu link it said nothing about anything being better than anything else. In fact.. I think the GM dual-mode is probably the best system for improving fuel efficiency in heavy vehicles. However the blog entry indicated that this Toy-uzu diesel hybrid would likely be implemented in smaller vehicles like the Yaris/Corolla. Probably in competition to Honda's new small hybrid to be built in the Midwest. But it's new and it's an interesting development for small vehicles. All that other stuff about Caddy's and $30K vehicle and GM holds 23% of Toyota??????????? Are you into the eggnog early? Just show me the specific reference and I'll give your rant a little credence.
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