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Replying to: terry92270 (Oct 26, 2006 10:41 am) my Prius for commuting .. 35-40,000 mi annually Then my wife's summer shoes .. an MR2 Spyder and then her winter shoes .. a 4WD V6 Highlander |
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 26, 2006 10:48 am) Good luck, I have waited for a midsized PU with a small efficient diesel to land on our shores for 8 years. I hope your not in a hurry. The real powers that be in this country are not interested in saving fossil fuel. Any roadblocks or diversions keep their agenda afloat. If a diesel is ALREADY more efficient than a comparable gasser, and hybridization makes a gasser even MORE efficient, then a diesel which is hybridized will be the ultimate in efficiency. I agree with your assessment. It just has not materialized in the form of a cost effective vehicle. You can crunch numbers all day and will not be able to justify a hybrid for mainstream buyers. It has to be someone wanting to make a statement or they have an extremely long commute. Since people have posted on this board I have seen poster after poster saying how the cost will come down. well almost 7 years later and not a single hybrid price has decreased. Add to that the diesel $1000 premium and the numbers do not add up. |
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gary says "well almost 7 years later and not a single hybrid price has decreased. " Yes, but they have not gone up considerably either. The first Prius was $19,995 base price and today's model, although larger and much more of a car, is base priced in the $21s. That's not a huge increase, and not unlike any car would go up in 7 years. 'Yota has demanded a price reduction and size reduction from their engineers for the next Gen Prius. We shall see. Dodge said the ESX-3 could sell for $28,500 in 1997. Were they lying? 
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 26, 2006 12:46 pm) That was your perfect car. For about what people are paying for much less of a car in the Prius. Was it poor judgment on Chrysler's part. I don't know. You are fudging on the Prius pricing. The lowest level of Prius I have heard about is a 3. It has an MSRP of $25,350 and a TMV here of $27,646. That is 28% increase since I was offered a loaded one for $20k even. That had a bumper to bumper 8 year 100k mile warranty and all service. It was a pretty good deal.
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 26, 2006 1:04 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 27, 2006 8:24 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 27, 2006 8:53 am) I think that we would both applaud some of the diesel/hybrids that are being tested. |
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It seems strange that Toyota sought the link with Isuzu. With Isuzu already making the Duramax for GM, Toyota's purchase looked a little fishy. Then there is this today. Toyuzu hybrid diesel This may be why Toyota has not announced anything about hybrids in the small vehicle segment. This may have been in the works for a while. Can't let Honda get ahead. Honda can't let Toyota get
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2006 9:44 pm) 
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2006 9:44 pm) When the small diesel engines can "affordably" pass the new EPA standards you will see diesel hybrids. GM and Ford don't lag behind any other manufacturer. It all comes down to can they make money off of the product. Right now no. Depending on the market later. Maybe. Now for small diesel hybrids look at the Opel. For a nice Diesel model vehicle look at the Small Caddy and Chrysler models offered oversees. Just think about putting that same Opel engine in a Saturn VUE Hybrid. So don't think just because it comes from overseas it is better then what comes from the US. Ford, GM, and Chrysler sell to the US market what the US market will buy. Most buyers in the US market will not pay 30K+ for a small to midsized car. Try to get a European or a safe Jap model for the same price as a Chevy Impala or a Ford Fusion. Not going to happen. Stop knocking the US offerings. And again I say Honda is all Hype. Treat a Honda the way the average Ford, GM, or Chrysler gets abused and you will find the American cars are more cost effective. |
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