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Replying to: orbit9090 (Aug 02, 2006 8:50 am) WEll, ACtually, that is yet to be determined. When the CARB states approve new passenger diesel sales, EPA will test them, and if they score equal to the PZEV hybrids, then we can say there is "no advantage." Until those tests are done, only the SHADOW knows.... 
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http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/000791.html This would be the best of both worlds. Who's gonna step up and build on of these? The irony is that diesel hybrids could be far more efficient and clean than anything now on the market, without any leaps in technology. The combination of modern clean diesel engines, Prius-style serial hybrid-electric systems, and biodiesel/vegetable oil fuels could provide amazing mileage, cleaner air, and vastly reduced petroleum dependency. Comfortable, powerful sedans could get upwards of 80 miles per gallon and be carbon-neutral. (More in the extended entry...) It's certainly not that diesel hybrids are somehow impossible. Diesel-electric hybrid buses are available and have been rolled out in (among other places) Seattle, Washington and Apeldoorn, in the Netherlands. As for autos, Ford, GM, and Daimler-Chrysler each built prototype diesel hybrids a few years ago which got mileage in the 70-80 mpg range. But the automakers opted not to produce them, as the cars couldn't meet strict air pollution rules while running on the sulfur-laden American diesel. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2006 7:39 am) It depends on what your goal is If is low TCO than a hybrid is not the answer! The only thing most hybrids offer are high mpg and low emissions, not economy or savings. Therefore the statement is somewhat oxymoronic because it contains two mutually exclusive statements "decent price" and "decent mileage". Hybrids cannot be found at a decent price. Even the Civic hybrid is expensive! So decent mileage is a moot point if it cannot be recovered in less than 3-5 years. The TCO solution is to pick up a cheap Rio or Aveo or even a Cobalt. LOL, MidCow
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Peugot 307 CC HDi Diesel Hybrid sedan The hybrid diesel engine, based on equivalent performance, heralds a genuine new benchmark in terms of fuel consumption, since it combines the exceptional effi ciency of a smaller capacity HDi engine, operating in its optimal operating range, with that of an electric motor designed mainly for use in town. Its mixed-cycle fuel consumption of 4.1 l /100 km means a gain of 30 % compared to a standard 2.0 litre HDi FAP version. Driving pleasure, a fundamental concern of the Marque, has not been compromised. In addition to the all-electric operating mode for use in town at low speed, which provides a high level of noise and vibration insulation, this hybrid HDi power train offers substantially improved acceleration compared to a traditional vehicle of equivalent power. The driver benefi ts on an ad hoc basis from the additional power from the electric motor of up to 31 kW. For example, equipped with an 80 kW HDi FAP 1.6 litre engine (around 110 bhp), the performance of the coupé cabriolet is roughly the same as the standard 2.0 litre HDi FAP production version (around 136 bhp). This makes the 307 CC HybrideHDi an attractive, concrete example of the Marque’s technological know-how: - in the fi eld of hi-tech diesel engines and that of electric vehicles. - but also in its ability to innovate, by presenting the fi rst coupé cabriolet with hybrid technology without adversely affecting the car’s features (style, capacity, boot, etc).
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 20, 2006 7:45 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Oct 20, 2006 7:52 am) Bring that to the USA and I'd buy that car in a heartbeat...... 
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Sep 13, 2006 10:54 am) I keep reading this forum, others ones, and it seems as if that term is highly subjective, no? If one looks at what is actually selling the most in the US, and what options are being ordered, it seems to me that most any Hybrid isn't more than one step up, price-wise, to what most people are buying..... I am really interested in people's thoughts on this....at what price point do they beleive a vehicle to become "expensive". And I mean this in a personal way, not what your thoughts are, but look at what you drive, and what it cost. 
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Replying to: terry92270 (Oct 20, 2006 8:10 am)
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Replying to: jonallen (Mar 27, 2006 12:11 pm)
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Replying to: mendocino (Oct 22, 2006 3:03 am) You are wanting a lot on a motorcycle frame. Good luck in your search. http://www.hybrid-vehicles.net/ecycle-hybrid-motorcycles.htm |
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