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Re: Toyota plans to sell 290,000 hybrids in the USA in 2007 - WHEW !!! [lar [stevedebi] by terry92270
Oct 16, 2006 (11:30 am)

Replying to: stevedebi (Oct 16, 2006 11:20 am)

Well, Diesels have always, since before WWII, sold "well" in Europe. That isn't exactly breaking news.....
 
A new law recently went into effect here, in the US, mandating a low sulfur form of diesel, which should help. Although it has raised the price of it by more than a Nickel per gallon.
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Re: Toyota plans to sell 290,000 hybrids in the USA in 2007 - WHEW !!! [lar by tpe
Oct 16, 2006 (4:16 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Oct 16, 2006 11:20 am)

Such diesels are the main challenge to hybrids. If they ever catch on in the US, it may well be curtains for hybrids
 
I don't think so. Diesel fuel contains something like 20% more energy than gasoline. That's a huge benefit but where do you go from there? Hybrids represent the evolution towards electric vehicles that hold far more potential. I'm not sure why the auto manufacturers are so reluctant to offer plug-in hybrids with a minimal 20 mile all electric range.
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Six hybrids in the top ten.... by larsb
Oct 17, 2006 (8:44 am)
EPA list of 2007 Top Fuel Economy chart
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Re: Toyota plans to sell 290,000 hybrids in the USA in 2007 - WHEW !!! [ter by stevedebi
Oct 17, 2006 (11:17 am)

Replying to: terry92270 (Oct 16, 2006 11:30 am)

"A new law recently went into effect here, in the US, mandating a low sulfur form of diesel, which should help. Although it has raised the price of it by more than a Nickel per gallon."
 
As I filled up yesterday, I noticed the diesel pump had a sticker saying it was Ultra-Low Sulfur diesel.
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Re: Six hybrids in the top ten.... [larsb] by bamacar
Oct 17, 2006 (12:40 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Oct 17, 2006 8:44 am)

Should be only 4 hybrids as the Fit Auto, Corolla Auto, Accent Auto, Rio Auto, Civic Manual/Auto, Elantra Manual/Auto, and Sentra Manual/Auto were all incorrectly left off the list. They all get better mpg than the Escape 4wd hybrid. This list is pretty lame.
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Re: Six hybrids in the top ten.... [bamacar] by rorr
Oct 18, 2006 (10:37 am)

Replying to: bamacar (Oct 17, 2006 12:40 pm)

"They all get better mpg than the Escape 4wd hybrid."
 
I believe the list is based on city mpg, where the Escape was rated at 32mpg.
 
The Fit Auto is rated at 31mpg city.
The Corolla Auto is rated at 30mpg city.
The Accent Sedan Auto is rated at 28 mpg city.
The Rio Sedan Auto is rated at 29 mpg city.
The Civic Coupe manual/auto is rated at 30 mpg city.
The Elantra Sedan manual/auto is rated at 27/24 mpg city.
The Sentra manual/auto is rated at 28 mpg city.
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Re: Six hybrids in the top ten.... [rorr] by bamacar
Oct 18, 2006 (12:50 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Oct 18, 2006 10:37 am)

I know they rank on city mpg, but why should the EPA assume the best measure is 100% city driving. Be reasonable and do 60/40 or 70/30 city/highway. If you did, the Escape 4wd would quickly drop off the list.
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Re: Six hybrids in the top ten.... [bamacar] by terry92270
Oct 18, 2006 (1:00 pm)

Replying to: bamacar (Oct 18, 2006 12:50 pm)

shoulda, woulda, coulda....
 
Why ask why? Making sense of the government, and how/why they do things is a endless riddle.
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Re: Six hybrids in the top ten.... [rorr] by backy
Oct 18, 2006 (1:04 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Oct 18, 2006 10:37 am)

You are reading the wrong list. You have the wrong data for the Elantra at least. It's 28 city manual/auto.
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Re: Six hybrids in the top ten.... [bamacar] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (3:35 pm)

Replying to: bamacar (Oct 18, 2006 12:50 pm)

I know they rank on city mpg, but why should the EPA assume the best measure is 100% city driving.
 
That's a good question. Especially when you consider that the EPA acknowledges their current ratings are not representative of actual driving habits. They plan on modifying their methodology for arriving at these figures. The new ratings system will result in almost all vehicles having lower mpg estimates but the biggest impact is going to be on hybrid city ratings.

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