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Re: a sad story [stevedebi] by tpe
Sep 29, 2006 (2:11 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 12:55 pm)

I honestly don't remember what size engine my Pinto had. I know in high school I drove a Fiat 128 that had a 1.2L engine that put out 50 hp and I could get close to 30 mpg. I doubt that car weighed over 2,000 lbs. In 1999 I drove a Toyota Corolla that had a 1.8L engine, around 120 hp and I was able to get 33 mpg. I guess my point is that hp and torque ratings represent available power. Increasing available power does not necessarily make a car less fuel efficient.
 
I had a friend who drove a Gremlin. It did seem fast in comparison to what was available at the time. The reality is that it probably did no better than mid 8's for a 0-60 time. BTW, that Pinto sucked. I'm amazed that Ford was able to sell them for as long as they did. The only thing I liked about it was its hatchback that made it easy to throw golf bags in it.
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Re: a sad story [rorr] by stevedebi
Sep 29, 2006 (3:16 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Sep 29, 2006 2:00 pm)

The Gremlin X had a V8, about 5 liters, I think. That was pretty severe overkill for that particular car.
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Re: a sad story [tpe] by stevedebi
Sep 29, 2006 (3:17 pm)

Replying to: tpe (Sep 29, 2006 2:11 pm)

"BTW, that Pinto sucked. I'm amazed that Ford was able to sell them for as long as they did."
 
Count your blessings that you were never rear-ended in that Pinto.
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Toyota’s Hybrids to be Lighter and Cheaper by larsb
Oct 05, 2006 (2:24 pm)
Old news, new link
 
Over the next three years, Toyota plans to cut the cost of its hybrid technology in half. Also to be reduced is the weight of the hybrid drivetrain, which will increase both fuel efficiency and performance. This next generation Prius is planned for 2009 with an anticipated fuel rating of 90mpg.
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Toyota getting "alt fuel" serious. by larsb
Oct 10, 2006 (7:20 am)
A huge part of the success can be attributed to the Prius, which runs on a combination of electric and gasoline power. Worldwide sales jumped from 28,083 in 2002 to 43,162 in 2003, and hit 175,157 last year. Toyota's goal is to reach 1 million in annual hybrid sales in the first few years of the next decade. From 1997 through July 2006, it shipped 552,657 Priuses--which accounts for 76.7 percent of the 720,516 hybrids shipped by all manufacturers.
 
So through July 2006 there have been 720,516 hybrids sold. That's interesting information !!!
 
Toyota SERIOUS about alternative fuel vehicles
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Re: Toyota getting "alt fuel" serious. [larsb] by gagrice
Oct 10, 2006 (7:39 am)

Replying to: larsb (Oct 10, 2006 7:20 am)

I did notice in your article that Toyota mentions their having "clean diesel" at least 3 times. Something many here have said does not exist.
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Re: Toyota getting "alt fuel" serious. [gagrice] by larsb
Oct 10, 2006 (7:47 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Oct 10, 2006 7:39 am)

Well, "clean diesel fuel" meaning Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel does EXIST, it's just not yet prevalent and available everywhere.
 
And "clean diesel cars" DO apparently exist, at least outside the USA. Even the "world's cleanest diesel car" was not clean enough for the CAFE states.
 
It's good to know that Toyota is working the "clean car" future from several different angles.
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Re: Toyota getting "alt fuel" serious. [gagrice] by gagrice
Oct 10, 2006 (7:55 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Oct 10, 2006 7:39 am)

Even the "world's cleanest diesel car" was not clean enough for the CAFE states.
 
There you go again. You know that is totally false. The reason that CARB is balking is they do not trust you and I to maintain the emissions system. Same as Toyota does not trust YOU with an EV switch in your hybrid.
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Enough by pf_flyer HOST
Oct 10, 2006 (8:06 am)
Here we are again, with the same folks having the same argument, and starting to turn things personal again.
 
This is NOT the place to hold your personal disputes.
 
Last time I checked, nobody is changing anyone's mind here. Agree to disagree and move on.
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Very coool story inside Toyota's hybrid factory by larsb
Oct 10, 2006 (10:21 am)
Inside Hybrid factory
 
Nearly finished Priuses, Camrys and Premios (a Japan-only car) progress on automated floor belts through the final inspection area, where workers look for paint scratches and check the lights. Elevators, conveyors and other machinery seem to be shuttling metal everywhere, but nothing moves faster than your grandmother's walking speed.
 
Then there is the andon cord, a draping white cord that hangs overhead on both sides of every production line. When a worker sees a problem, he pulls the cord, which immediately stops his particular production line. In a U.S. factory, stopping production would be discouraged and would likely be accompanied by a loud, shrill alarm.

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