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#5245 of 5290 Re: Good looking hybrid from Citroen [larsb] by gagrice Sep 29, 2006 (9:57 am)
Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2006 8:39 am) If you read the article attached you would know that was not my statement. It was the Citroen fellow's. I believe it will be proved that the MB Blutec is indeed cleaner than any comparably sized gas engine. The only question is do we trust the Americans to maintain the engine. I believe that Ford demonstrated a PZEV diesel hybrid a couple years ago. So I think the statement can and will be proven. I think the only thing Toyota has proven, is that, with enough money you can clean up a gas engine and make it PZEV. Too bad the technology is so complex and limited in its usefulness. Replies to this message: larsb (Sep 29, 2006 11:57 am)
#5246 of 5290 Re: Good looking hybrid from Citroen [larsb] by terry92270 Sep 29, 2006 (10:28 am)
Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2006 8:39 am) "Diesels emissions are:    Not lower than PZEV gasser hybrids. Usually not lower than a SULEV gasser."   Generally that is true, there are some emissions that are less, but that is splitting hairs maybe...   Possibly they were speaking of most people's reality, a real life in a world that isn't filled with electric carts and SULEV automobiles.
#5247 of 5290 Re: Good looking hybrid from Citroen [gagrice] by larsb Sep 29, 2006 (11:57 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Sep 29, 2006 9:57 am) I knew it was not your statment Gary. I saw that it was a part of your italicized text.   Regardless, that's just his opinion I suppose, because so far the EPA has yet to rate even the cleanest diesel it has tested as high as the cleanest hybrid it has tested.   That might, as you say, change at some point, but so far it has not changed.
#5249 of 5290 Re: a sad story [tpe] by stevedebi Sep 29, 2006 (12:55 pm)
Replying to: tpe (Sep 28, 2006 4:03 pm) "I drove a Ford Pinto in college in the late 70's. This was definitely considered a compact, fuel efficient vehicle. I rarely got 20 mpg and that was only when I drove exclusively highway miles."   Do you realize that your 1970's Pinto probaby had a 3 - 4 Liter engine? I had a 1973 Gremlin myself - 232 Cu In, which is 3.8 liters. I could spin the wheels at stop lights, and it got about 22 MPG in all situations. Replies to this message: rorr (Sep 29, 2006 2:00 pm) stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 3:16 pm) tpe (Sep 29, 2006 2:11 pm) stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 3:17 pm)
#5250 of 5290 Re: a sad story [stevedebi] by rorr Sep 29, 2006 (2:00 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 12:55 pm) "Do you realize that your 1970's Pinto probaby had a 3 - 4 Liter engine?"   Ah, no.   From '71-'73 your engine choice was either a 1.6L or a 2.0L. From '74-'80 the base engine was the 2.3L Lima engine. The 2.8L Cologne V6 (making a HUGE 90hp ) was optional from '75-'79.   My best friend in HS had an early '70s Gremlin X; not sure what engine it had. He could spin the tires pretty easy from a stop but his car ran out of breath pretty quick (I used to be able to catch up to him on looooooooong straights in my '78 Corolla ) Replies to this message: stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 3:16 pm)
#5251 of 5290 Re: a sad story [stevedebi] by tpe Sep 29, 2006 (2:11 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 12:55 pm) I honestly don't remember what size engine my Pinto had. I know in high school I drove a Fiat 128 that had a 1.2L engine that put out 50 hp and I could get close to 30 mpg. I doubt that car weighed over 2,000 lbs. In 1999 I drove a Toyota Corolla that had a 1.8L engine, around 120 hp and I was able to get 33 mpg. I guess my point is that hp and torque ratings represent available power. Increasing available power does not necessarily make a car less fuel efficient.   I had a friend who drove a Gremlin. It did seem fast in comparison to what was available at the time. The reality is that it probably did no better than mid 8's for a 0-60 time. BTW, that Pinto sucked. I'm amazed that Ford was able to sell them for as long as they did. The only thing I liked about it was its hatchback that made it easy to throw golf bags in it. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Sep 29, 2006 3:17 pm)
#5252 of 5290 Re: a sad story [rorr] by stevedebi Sep 29, 2006 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: rorr (Sep 29, 2006 2:00 pm) The Gremlin X had a V8, about 5 liters, I think. That was pretty severe overkill for that particular car.
#5253 of 5290 Re: a sad story [tpe] by stevedebi Sep 29, 2006 (3:17 pm)
Replying to: tpe (Sep 29, 2006 2:11 pm) "BTW, that Pinto sucked. I'm amazed that Ford was able to sell them for as long as they did."   Count your blessings that you were never rear-ended in that Pinto.
#5254 of 5290 Toyota’s Hybrids to be Lighter and Cheaper by larsb Oct 05, 2006 (2:24 pm)
Old news, new link   Over the next three years, Toyota plans to cut the cost of its hybrid technology in half. Also to be reduced is the weight of the hybrid drivetrain, which will increase both fuel efficiency and performance. This next generation Prius is planned for 2009 with an anticipated fuel rating of 90mpg.

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