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I have to agree with John about the accuracy of the computed mpg in the Prius. In my 2003 model, over 7000 miles, the actual calculating with actual gallons purchased, is about 2 mpg less than what I read on the touch screen. As far as I'm concerned, to determine real mileage on ANY car or rec vehicle, you need to take a long term average. On any of my vehicles I can get as much as a 40-50% variance in fuel economy between tankfuls. Ed Headington |
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Replying to: moparbad (Jun 11, 2004 3:57 pm) But since I don't actually do that, what's your point? Remember, quite a number of times now I have mentioned that even though I am averaging 54 MPG, the fact that some owners are averaging upper 40's is perfect fine with me. The reports of those getting below 40 MPG are quite rare, and they pretty much completely cancel out the reports of some owners getting upper 50's. Face it, the overall average works out to around 50 MPG. JOHN |
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Replying to: john1701a (Jun 11, 2004 1:47 pm) Boy, John, that's extraordinarily vague. Please define typical driving. A "typical" interstate trucker spends the majority of his time on the highway. A "typical" regional salesperson could spend hours each day driving on the highway. Heck, the majority of my daily work commute is spent on highway-only cruising at speeds in excess of 65+ MPH. For me, that's typical. So, what really defines "typical driving"? And do you have any facts or figures to back up your claims? |
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A quote from the USA Today article referenced in previous posts: "While in stop-and-go traffic, the Prius often ran on battery power, driving home the point that it is most efficient in crawling, urban traffic." So the test DID include stop-and-go driving situations and was not all "highway-only cruising" as some have insinuated. And still, the diesel Jetta came out ahead of the hybrid Prius. Hmmmm... |
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Replying to: shado4 (Jun 11, 2004 5:33 pm) How many of those stop-and-go miles out of the total 500+ miles? When you drive from city to city, you have to get out of the city first right? Why are some, so blind to see that the overall test is a long distance trip? Some rely on self fulfilling prophecy and acknowledge only the lowest mpg that Prius achieves. Is it due to the recent media stories about hybrids fall short of the claim? Or is it, the doubt from FUD that goes, "there! you see? hybrids are just hype. I was right all along" type of comfirmation? Dennis
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Replying to: shado4 (Jun 11, 2004 5:17 pm) Simple, a MIXTURE! The millions of people that get caught in heavy commute traffic represent a far more average driving experience than a trip that is almost entire cruising. Their speeds very from high, to stop & slow, to suburb, to regular city driving. That variety is what's typical. JOHN
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Replying to: usbseawolf2000 (Jun 11, 2004 6:41 pm) Couldn't have said it better myself!  I applaud the author of the USA Today article for sharing his real world experience with the Jetta and the Prius. It's a shame that some people view his conclusions through "millennium silver" colored glasses and must take every opportunity to discredit any and all negative news concerning the Prius. When it comes to fuel economy, yes, I believe hybrids are just hype and not worth the premium dollars. I don't care about emissions, and all this talk about drying up oil supplies is left wing propaganda, IMO. Gas prices in my area have actually gone down more than 10 cents a gallon since last month! Hysterical "the world is coming to an end" rubbish.
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Replying to: john1701a (Jun 11, 2004 7:40 pm) What about the millions of people that don't have to deal with heavy commute traffic? Don't they count? Until I see factual proof of your definition of "typical driving", I'll just treat it as only your opinion. |
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Replying to: shado4 (Jun 11, 2004 5:17 pm) A vague answer, interesting. You seem to imply that you do *NOT* use that vehicle for anything else but driving to and from work, exclusively for cruising. I seriously doubt that is actually the case. I bet you actually drive to other places too, and at speeds much slower than 65+ MPH, like the gas station... stores... food... entertainment... bank... church... family... friends... etc. JOHN
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> I believe hybrids are just hype and not worth the premium dollars Since that is just a SHORT-TERM comment, it really isn't an issue. Of course they cost a premium NOW, high-volume production hasn't begun yet. Heck, Toyota only makes a limited amount of a single model of HSD hybrid now. Just wait until it becomes a large percentage including many, many models. > I don't care about emissions All those suffering from breathing-related problems resent that statement. It is best to avoid making comments like that. JOHN |
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