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#4034 of 5290 Toyota getting greener and greener all around
Dec 05, 2005 (7:13 am)
Can a car company really be called green? Sure, the notion may seem far-fetched. But if anyone can, it might be Toyota (TM ). The Japanese auto maker has gotten great mileage lately out of its Prius gasoline/electric hybrid. Toyota has sold over 400,000 of these fuel-sippers and is now expanding its hybrid lineup by at least 10 other vehicles.
Less well known are Toyota's efforts to reduce emissions from smokestacks as well as tailpipes. In the past 15 years, Toyota has cut its carbon-dioxide emissions in Japan to 1.78 million tons annually, from 2.12 million tons, while globally, C02 emissions per car produced are down 15% since 2002.
Dec 05, 2005 (9:10 am)
...no mention of the big truck plant Toyota just opened in Texas to increase their output of, well, big trucks. Wonder how that'll affect their CO2 output?
#4036 of 5290 If they have buyers
Dec 05, 2005 (9:33 am)
Actually, the article might have mentioned that in this quote:
That has been helped by Toyota's bumper profits of $10 billion for the year to March -- money that has been poured into investment in newer, cleaner factories.
Not necessary to mention that, if there are buyers for the extra Trucks. There might not be. Toyota knows they need trucks to compete in that market.
Regardless of that fact, they are in fact GOING THE CORRECT DIRECTION in that CO2 is going DOWN and MPG is going UP.
By the way, how many Hybrids has GM sold? Ford? A few
thousand, at most? Toyota is over 513,000 worldwide.
#4037 of 5290 Re: If they have buyers [larsb]
Dec 05, 2005 (9:43 am)
I agree. As much as Toyota wants a greener planet they can't turn their backs on business that can be earned by truck buyers. Segment your business and you could end it.
#4038 of 5290 The Mitsu Miev will be an interesting development
Dec 05, 2005 (9:48 am)
This vehicle will be very interesting - an electric motor at every wheel, quick recharge using plug-in.
"It's our version of the next stage of hybrid development," Wayne Killan, vice president of marketing for Mitsubishi, said in a phone interview. The car was prompted by fuel prices in the U.S.
Mitsubishi unveiled a Miev concept this year at the Tokyo Motor Show. It basically was a Mitsubishi Lancer with the wheels driven by individual electric motors powered by a lithium-ion battery pack.
And unlike the Lancer, it comes with a 1.1-liter, 3-cylinder gasoline engine--along with the electric motors at the wheels.
"We decided we would need gas and electric for the U.S. market. With electric motors powering each wheel, it not only can operate as a pure electric but you don't need a conventional transmission and save a lot of space and weight for even better mileage," Killan said.
In gas mode, the batteries would recharge as the car was driven. In electric mode only, the batteries would have to be recharged by plugging into a wall socket.
Killan said there is no estimate on driving range in electric mode, but the estimated recharging time would be a scant 10 minutes. He couldn't say, however, whether that would be a partial charge to give you enough juice to get to a socket for a full charge or whether it would be a full charge.
"We would expect the car to be used in electric-only mode only in cities, where you could have access to a quick charge," he said.
#4039 of 5290 Re: "OBjective" does not equal "FALSEHOODS" [dewey]
Dec 05, 2005 (10:18 am)
I read the article over the weekend. It does have factual errors. I also wrote back to the author explaining discrepancies. That article is full of crap.
#4040 of 5290 Misconceptions about the Prius.
Dec 05, 2005 (10:48 am)
I think there are a lot of misconceptions about just what is the place of the Toyota Prius in the current automobile market.
There is one very telling thing that people forget about the current Prius: it is classed as a mid-sized car by the EPA, and as such is in the same class as the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. I've sat inside the curent Prius and when I moved the front seats for best legroom comfort I was impressed by how much rear legroom was still available.
Given that the current Accord or Camry four-cylinder models usually cost about US$20,000 out the door decently equipped, for only a few thousand more you can get a Prius, which is a true direct competitor to the Accord or Camry I-4 models.
Also, one thing people often miss about the Prius is that the way the vehicle works encourages frugal driving. If you look at the center LCD panel, there is a display that shows estimated fuel efficiency in MPG and also how much the battery is being recharged; this actually makes you want to to drive moderately to get the maximum fuel efficiency and recharging of the battery pack.
If I had the money (and willing to wait three months) I'd get a Prius myself.
#4041 of 5290 Re: Misconceptions about the Prius. [raychuang00]
Dec 05, 2005 (12:37 pm)
The Camry and Accord are quite a bit larger then the Prius II and both have a much more solid ride. If the Prius II was a sedan instead of a hatch, it would be a compact like the larger Ford Focus ZX3/ZX5 or smaller Civic.
Accord Passenger Vol: 103 cu. ft./Luggage Vol: 14 cu. ft.
Camry Passenger Vol: 102 cu. ft./Luggage Vol: 17 cu. ft.
Prius II Passenger Vol: 96 cu. ft./Luggage Vol: 16 cu. ft.
Focus ZX3/ZX5 Passenger Vol: 94 cu. ft./Luggage Vol: 19 cu. ft.
Civic Passenger Vol: 91 cu. ft./Luggage Vol: 13 cu. ft.
Brand new Accord LX’s and Camry LE’s are heading out the door for sub-$18K. The Prius (even the stripper version w/out mats and side/side curtain air bags) is hitting the street at > $22.5K.
I am not saying the std. Accord/Camry is a better or worse choice as you lose a bunch of FE but the Accord/Camry’s in their LX/LE variants have a lot going for them over and above the Prius II in terms of out the door pricing, size, ride, handling, and safety …
Wayne R. Gerdes
#4042 of 5290 Re: Misconceptions about the Prius. [xcel]
Dec 05, 2005 (1:08 pm)
As far as safety is concerned I beg to differ. The Prius has VSC where the Pre 06 Accord DON'T. Looking at all the crash test data, I would not be surprised if the Prius was actually better than an Accord. One thing I did see is that the Prius II is 1 point shy of the BMW 3 series in European testing. Nice company indeed. As to ride, I'd have to agree with you. If the VW Jetta TDI (06+) proves reliable, it may be a great sleeper.
#4043 of 5290 Re: Misconceptions about the Prius. [falconone]
Dec 05, 2005 (3:42 pm)
The 05/06 Accords come std. with Side and Side Curtains and have better crash test ratings then a Prius II.
Wayne R. Gerdes