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#1792 of 5290 Re: ! [maxhonda99]
May 25, 2005 (1:14 pm)
More hybrid news!! This just in MAXHONDA99 wins award for best posts on the Edmunds Hybrid forum. BACKY, another well known poster came in second place with extremely informative posts. Yes.... I believe that other manufacturers will bring hybrids to market so that Toyota will really have to keep on their toes. Let's face it, they do have a pretty good lead in the technology. I am looking forward to seeing the specs on the recently announced Camry. Nissan is also supposed to be introducing a hybrids variant of their Altima as a 2007 model with Toyota licensed technology.
#1793 of 5290 Re: Honda News just in [backy]
May 25, 2005 (1:31 pm)
"One little problem with the HAH prognostication: no Honda hybrid will have city fuel economy over the highway numbers with Honda's IMA technology."
Well, you are mostly right. However, the ULEV CVT gets better city than highway (but not by much):
5-Speed Manual (City/Highway) (ULEV) 46 / 51
CVT (City/Highway) (ULEV) 48 / 47
5-Speed Manual (City/Highway) (AT-PZEV) 45 / 51
CVT (City/Highway) (AT-PZEV) 47 / 48
#1794 of 5290 Re: Honda News just in [biker4]
May 25, 2005 (1:34 pm)
"The K24 was detuned slightly to provide better mileage while the electric motor provides more low end torque. MSRP for the LX hybrid start at $22,295 with a CVT as the only transmission choice. It's EPA ratings are 45 city and 38 highway. All Honda models meet the new strict SULEV emission standards that came into affect this year. All models should be available at a dealer near you by the official release date of September 15."
Woah, Honda jumped Totota again, and will have one of the most popular sedans in the US available as an I4 hybrid by September of this year. I think that is about 1.5 years ahead of the Camry?
Of course, the Honda IMA is simpler to apply to a given car platform than the HSD.
#1795 of 5290 Re: Honda News just in [stevedebi]
May 25, 2005 (1:42 pm)
True.. but the HSD is more popular now as it gets a little better mileage. Let's see what Honda has up their sleave for next year. I like seeing them duke it out. Makes it NEWSWORTHY!
#1796 of 5290 Re: Honda News just in [stevedebi]
May 25, 2005 (1:46 pm)
You ought to VERY CAREFULLY RE-READ post #1763 from which you excerpted the quotation in your post #1764.
#1797 of 5290 Re: Honda News just in [blane]
May 25, 2005 (1:59 pm)
"You ought to VERY CAREFULLY RE-READ post #1763 from which you excerpted the quotation in your post #1764."
Oh, got ya. I'm used to people posting real news in this thread, as they are supposed to... is "faking" news releases OK with the moderator? I should have realized that such a thing would have been known in advance from "sneak peaks and such". BLUSH!
Though I still stand my my statement about the IMA being easier to implement on a given platform.
BTW, I'm assuming you mean my post 1774, I don't see a 1764...
#1798 of 5290 Re: ! [maxhonda99]
May 25, 2005 (2:05 pm)
"Well duh, isn't that inevitable as more hybrids from more manufacturer's come into the marketplace? "
Huuhhh??? More competitors means inevitable market share loss! Do you really know what you are talking about? If you cant figure out how it may not be inevitable I can provide you with the math in the next post!
are doing quite the opposite. If they wanted to have a monopoly, they could have refused to sell license rights to Nissan & Ford.
A monopoly can license a technology. Monopolizing a technology and licensing that same technology to others are not a contradiction!
Toyota isn't exactly ripping anyone off.
Whether they are or not, the fact is that Toyota hybrid SUVs are a rip off in terms of what it is mainly manufactured for (gas efficiency). As hybrid technology advances and becomes cheaper it becomes a rational purchase in terms of efficiency.
Ofcourse you can say that buying a hybrid Highlander is not only about gas-savings. In that case such hybrids will remain a minor niche!
#1799 of 5290 Re: Honda News just in [stevedebi]
May 25, 2005 (2:15 pm)
You are right. And I broke my own rule by saying "never". The Insight CVT also ekes out one more mpg in the city than the highway, while the HAH gets much better mpg on the highway. So that's two out of six current Honda hybrid variants that are EPA rated for slightly better fuel economy in the city than the highway.
May 25, 2005 (3:37 pm)
"Huuhhh??? More competitors means inevitable market share loss! Do you really know what you are talking about? If you cant figure out how it may not be inevitable I can provide you with the math in the next post! "
Let's see. It's obvious GM and DC are working on hybrids on their own at this point in time. By next year we can guesstimate that Toyota will have about a 65%to 75% market share once the Lexus GS450h arrives on scene(for the US that is). Even if Toyota adds a hybrid to just about every car in it's lineup, their market share of hybrids is going to down if and when GM comes out with Hybrids. Not to mention Ford is planning on proliferating hybrids also. Next in the Mercury Mariner, then I believe the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan.
May 25, 2005 (3:38 pm)
"More hybrid news!! This just in MAXHONDA99 wins award for best posts on the Edmunds Hybrid forum. BACKY, another well known poster came in second place with extremely informative posts. "
Would that be Gary?