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#308 of 337 Ummm by pf_flyer HOST Aug 08, 2006 (2:59 pm)
Let's stick to comparing the hybrid Accord and Camry here, OK?
#309 of 337 Future direction Honda Hybrid Accord by midnightcowboy Aug 09, 2006 (4:54 am)
The Honda Hybrids use a IMA system which is much more efficient than Toyota's HSD on the highway.   Based on CD and speed, the actual HP need to maintain highway cruising is very little. Many cars that have gone to CVT or 5, 6, 7+ spped tansmissions have started putting in a very tall gear, example Corvette.   The HAH has enough power, that it would be very easy to add either a wider range ratio CVT or a 6 speed or a wider spaced 5-speed to achieve a much taller highway gear.   This would allow a significant increase in steady-state highway mileage withg very little else being changed. Think of your current HAH haveing an EPA rating of 50 mpg and actually getting that.   The HSD system is more limited since the MG1 and MG2 must always spin. If the traction battery is charged then MG2 generates power which then runs MG1 which then runs the drive wheels. No conversion is 100% efficient, so each exchange of energy has a loss. Toyota is in the process of designing a replacement system for the HSD but this is still about 5 years in the future so you will continue to see numbers where the such as the Camry hybrid have flip-flopped mileage specs 40/38 whereas the Accord Hybrid has higher highway mileage 25/34 and the potential to go to 30/50.   YMMV,   MidCow Replies to this message: faldoc (Aug 12, 2006 8:30 am) kdhspyder (Aug 12, 2006 8:44 am) midnightcowboy (Aug 15, 2006 7:29 am) kdhspyder (Aug 12, 2006 8:43 am)
#310 of 337 Re: Future direction Honda Hybrid Accord [midnightcowboy] by faldoc Aug 12, 2006 (8:30 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Aug 09, 2006 4:54 am) Besides the theoretical considerations, and potential, you have to look at the focus of the designs. Clearly the designers of TCH were more concerned about FE than acceleration, otherwise they would have used a 6 cylinder.   Practically speaking, my TCH gets about 40 mpg on the highway between 65 and 70 mph. It would be hard to imagine a midsized car geting better than that in the city, and mine does not. It gets maybe 32, and if I am not paying attention or in a hurry it would be in the low 20s. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Aug 12, 2006 8:44 am) midnightcowboy (Aug 15, 2006 7:29 am)
#311 of 337 Re: Future direction Honda Hybrid Accord [midnightcowboy] by kdhspyder Aug 12, 2006 (8:43 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Aug 09, 2006 4:54 am) It appears that Honda is using it's IMA for smaller vehicles like the Civic, Fit and a new one still to be identified, while going the diesel route for it's midsized/larger vehicles such as the Ody, MDX and eventually Accord. It's IMA is very capable with smaller vehicles and less costly than the HSD   Toyota with the HSD system is more capable in the midsized vehicle range power-wise, with excellent FE, but it's likely too costly to put into smaller less expensive vehicles like the Corolla, Yaris, etc. I can see them offering diesel versions of these from Europe soon.   I don't think either company will beat their head against a wall trying to knock out the other's technology. Comparative Advantage.   Now if new developments arise from the laboratories then this could all change since as you know, YMMV.
#312 of 337 Re: Future direction Honda Hybrid Accord [faldoc] by kdhspyder Aug 12, 2006 (8:44 am)
Replying to: faldoc (Aug 12, 2006 8:30 am) Congrats on your new vehicle. I followed your travails since you first posted them on TN. I think that you will love the TCH.
#313 of 337 Re: Future direction Honda Hybrid Accord [faldoc] by midnightcowboy Aug 15, 2006 (7:29 am)
Replying to: faldoc (Aug 12, 2006 8:30 am) faldoc said:   "Practically speaking, my TCH gets about 40 mpg on the highway between 65 and 70 mph. It would be hard to imagine a midsized car geting better than that in the city, and mine does not."   Hey faldoc let you imagination run wild and randomly select 5 alpha characters : P ... R .. I.. U.. S   Yes, very good you imagined it and it happened the Prius is a mid sized that can get that mileage.   MidCow
#314 of 337 true, prius is a midsize car by r534me Aug 17, 2006 (10:01 am)
at least space wise per the EPA. Physically, it's not the same size or weight of the TCH. From what I read, the TCH is better to drive than the Prius and works better as far ast the hybrid system goes. That was from people who own or owned the Prius and now have a TCH.   The TCH has gobs more power than a Prius. It's nearly 2 seconds quicker 0-60. And traps 91-93 mph in the 1/4 mile depending on which test you read. This might not appeal to the greenies out there but for those who want to save gas and the environment at the same time and want some performance will appreciate this.   Check www.camrychat.com for futher information on this or www.toyotanation.com. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Aug 17, 2006 11:22 am) wvgasguy (Sep 11, 2006 4:20 pm)
#315 of 337 Re: true, prius is a midsize car [r534me] by kdhspyder Aug 17, 2006 (11:22 am)
Replying to: r534me (Aug 17, 2006 10:01 am) I raced a kid in a 'tuned' pickup truck today. We were equal all the way but each time he had to shift he lost part of a car length. By the time we got to 75 he was a length behind.    'Stupid truck, losing to a Prius for God's sake.'   It killed my fuel economy for this tank though.   No need to shift .. LOL Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Sep 11, 2006 4:20 pm)
#316 of 337 sporty? by alp8 Sep 11, 2006 (12:29 pm)
what do you guys think of the "drive" of the Camry hybrid verus the Accord, in so far as its sportiness? Is it "sporty," at all, or is it a plain jane family sedan?
#317 of 337 Re: true, prius is a midsize car [kdhspyder] by wvgasguy Sep 11, 2006 (4:20 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Aug 17, 2006 11:22 am) I raced a kid in a 'tuned' pickup truck today   Seriously Bob, what tune was he listening to?   I'd have been embarrassed to have watched that.

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