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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Apr 07, 2006 7:44 am) I heard some guys could achieve 46MPG for their HAHs on highway. Is that possible? My HAH '05 never runs over 50 miles on highway so I dont know. But I did get about 38MPG on < 50 mile highway trips. |
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Apr 07, 2006 7:44 am) The point is, not always. Not when HSD is gliding -- going downhill, feathering acceleartor, etc.... When there is combustion in ICE, MG1 will always generate electricity. The reason is that only 27% of torque from ICE goes to the wheel. Prius ICE max torque is 82 lbs-ft. 27 percent of 82 lbs-ft is 22 lbs-ft of torque... max. You tell me if that's enough to keep 2,890 lbs car going on the highway at 50, 60, 70 mph! That's the reason MG2 needs to help out with it's enormous torque with electricity from MG1 (or battery). "That is why Honda's IMA systme can achieve better highway than city mileage" I disagree. On the highway, you are constantly loosing 15-20 hp keeping the car at a constant speed due to environmental / friction / rolling resistences. In city speed this loss is much less. Why IMA gets higher in the highway then? And why does 06 HCH get the same for both(50/50mpg)? According to your logic, 06 HCH is less efficient on the highway? And why Prius still beats it with 51 mpg on highway -- yet Prius has 1.5 liter displacement ICE compare to 1.3 liter HCH ICE? Yes, we discussed this before and you either dismissed those questions or could not answer them. Dennis
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Replying to: usbseawolf2000 (Apr 01, 2006 11:36 am) |
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OK, so I'd really like a GS450H, but that's not really a surprise to anyone. I'm sure we'd all like one, but aren't willing to pay the price. (OK, maybe not) Does the TCH drive much nicer than the Hybrid Accord? Is there any sportiness to it? How does each rank on the LUXO scale? Do you feel like you are in an Accord or Camry, or do you feel like you are in a Lexus ES? Are the seats supportive? I just rode in my buddy's Ininiti G35 and I was surprised at how crummy the seats are. (then again, we all know that Nissan put its money into horsepower and not much else in that car - not that that is a bad thing, but I am over 200 pounds and over 6 feet, and I need a decent seat) Interested in overall perceptions of the TCH HAH and how each compares to other vehicles you considered. Also (of course), real world highway MPG, city MPG, and blended MPG would be interesting. My needs are not that extreme - I'd like 30 mpg (mixed), luxury and sportiness (and I want to carry adults in the back, on occasion - so a nice coupe would do). (yes, I know the GS450H will not get me 30 mpg mixed, but it is such a sweet car....)
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Replying to: alp8 (May 01, 2006 5:25 pm) I'm now getting 38.6 mpg AVERAGE over 7400 miles. I get anywhere from 37mpg in the hills to 41 driving around home. I had a run of 45 mpg while driving 300 miles at Nags head in flat land. While I can't call the car sporty in handling, I do like the looks which I understand is a personal preference issue. The handling is acceptable, especially since I have slowed down. On the interstate it's not even an issue. I especially like the fact that I can cruise 600+ miles on a tank of gas should I want to be able to get somewhere and back without having to get gas (like if / when long lines or shortages return?) |
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Replying to: alp8 (May 01, 2006 5:25 pm) If we want to move away from dependence on oil and want better technology to move towards this goal, the best way to let the "big guys" know that this is what we want is by buying the existing hybrids. We cannot expect the car companies to invest in this techonology without any cost to us. Think about this as an investment in future better technology. P.S. my mom owned an accord - no matter how good they get it, i will always second think it before buying. I have owned a camry for the past 7 years and have never given me trouble. so camry it it! 
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Replying to: smile1017 (Aug 04, 2006 12:57 pm) I am curious as to your statement "the best way to let the "big guys" know that this is what we want is by buying the existing hybrids. " People were buying Prius hybrids as fast as they could be produce. So according to your logic, Toyota should have ramped up the production of the prius and not developed any other hybrids. I find it rather humerous that as Toyta passed Ford in sales and become larger that their QA has fallen off. YMMV, MidCow |
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Replying to: usbseawolf2000 (Apr 15, 2006 8:26 pm) i>When there is combustion in ICE, MG1 will always generate electricity. The reason is that only 27% of torque from ICE goes to the wheel. Prius ICE max torque is 82 lbs-ft. 27 percent of 82 lbs-ft is 22 lbs-ft of torque... max. You tell me if that's enough to keep 2,890 lbs car going on the highway at 50, 60, 70 mph! That's the reason MG2 needs to help out with it's enormous torque with electricity from MG1 (or battery). Your calculations appear correct except you did not factor in a TCH using either a johnson rod or canutin valve technology. Either or these options will decrease the coefficient of drag on the windward side of the Jib therby causing a rebound effect to the axis of evil. When this occurs you may see the MG3 react with a slight thermonuclear reaction which in any case liquifies the ashphalt road surface therby reducing the drag on the right front tire. All other tires wanting to keep up will therby submit additional torque to the ICECUBE maker. This will supply 30 to 40 additional refreshing beverages per 600 miles trip. Although this does not increase FE it does make for a more enjoyable trip and after a couple of road sodas who give a snoot about 2-3 extra mpg! 
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Replying to: stinkpot1 (Aug 07, 2006 3:21 pm) ROTFLMAO MidCow.
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Aug 08, 2006 1:04 pm) The thermonuclear reaction I refer to is almost imperceptible to all but the trained eye. That is in part why I believe the other poster's calculations are way off. Now you bring in Sunamis which have a terrible impact on FE particularly in low lying coastal areas. I am sure the other poster forgot to factor that in also when attempting to figure out how the damn MG1 and MG2 thing-a-ma-bobs actualy function. I am more concerned that my NAV system be able to find the shortest route between two points, in particular taverns, not in low lying areas or those sucseptable to earthquakes. Second opinon is that there is no true global warming happening. It is only the perception that the earth has become warmer by the masses of people currently wearing flesh parkas. Enjoy! 
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