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#1 of 337 Honda Accord Hybrid vs. Toyota Camry Hybrid by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:08 pm)
Accord mild hybrid will probably be offered with a manual transmission but Camry full hybrid will offer only in electronic controlled CVT transmission. Based on that, we will probably have two different groups supporting both sides.   Full hybrid is more efficient and powerful than a mild hybrid. I will provide facts regarding those two different design with available data from the Civic Hybrid and the Prius.   There will not be a limit if Honda offer Accord hybrid coupe into the comparison but let's focus on sedan vs. sedan.   Dennis Replies to this message: spent2much (May 06, 2008 11:18 am)
#2 of 337 HCH vs. Prius Power Curves by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:12 pm)
Honda Civic Hybrid Internal Combustion Engine Power Curve     Prius Internal Combustion Engine Power Curve   Atkinson cycle ICE in HSD has super flat torque(blue) curve. What you don't see in that graph is engine efficiency. Atkinson cycle ICE(1,500-5,000RPM) in HSD is more efficient than Honda's Otto cycle ICE peak(at certain RPM) efficiency.   Dennis
#3 of 337 ICE+Electric Combined Power Comparison by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:15 pm)
Honda Civic Hybrid   Prius 2004   This graph isn't a direct comparison because Prius graph shows speed(km/h) rather than RPM. Prius has plenty of horsepower(red curve) between 30km/h(17mph) and 90km/h(56mph). No wonder Prius is faster than 4 cylinder Camry in 30-50 mph acceleration test.   Horsepower delivery shoots up very quickly and there are plenty of power in mid-range speed. The torque at the wheel decreases as the car gets faster. Consistent with changing into higher gear as in traditional transmission car.   Dennis
#4 of 337 Physical Comparison by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:19 pm)
Honda Civic Hybrid   ICE + 10KW Motor/Generator + Mechanical CVT   Prius 2004   ICE + 10KW Motor/Generator1 + Planetary ECVT + 50KW Motor/Generator2   The size seems comparable yet HSD(THSII) contains extra 295 lbs-ft torque 50KW electric motor in it as well.   Dennis
#5 of 337 EPA MPG Comparison by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:25 pm)
Honda Civic Hybrid CVT Curb Weight: 2736 lbs City/Highway: 48 mpg / 47 mpg   Toyota Prius ECVT Curb Weight: 2890 lbs City/Highway: 60 mpg / 51 mpg   Prius is bigger(mid-size) and heavier yet more fuel efficient.   Dennis
#6 of 337 Planetary CVT by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:34 pm)
HSD transmission is an amazing work of art. The car is always in the top gear and lowest gear at the same time! You might be wondering how can it be? HSD can achieve this because there is only one gear ratio(permanently engaged).   HSD power response is instantaneous, within milliseconds. No shifting, no delay, no jerking, no power fluctuation, just smooth like a jet.   Check out how small the Power Split Device(red area between two motors) which enables ECVT in Hybrid Synergy Drive.   .   Dennis
#7 of 337 by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (2:39 pm)
I might be wrong but I left very little room for someone to argue for an Accord mild hybrid IMA design.   Dennis
#8 of 337 Accord hybrid w/stick? by backy Apr 17, 2004 (3:36 pm)
Dennis, where have you heard that Honda will offer the Accord hybrid with a stick? To my knowledge, Honda has never before offered an Accord V6 4-door sedan with a stick shift, at least in the USA. They do offer the Accord V6 coupe with a six-speed stick. Now that would be an interesting configuration for the hybrid. Anyone know if it will it be offered as a coupe? Toyota could of course offer the Solara as a hybrid; it's got the same powertrains and chassis as the Camry. But I've heard no rumors of a hybrid Solara. Replies to this message: usbseawolf2000 (Apr 17, 2004 3:46 pm) victor1 (Jun 09, 2004 2:46 pm) backy (Jun 09, 2004 11:51 pm) midnightcowboy (Jun 10, 2004 5:20 am) tlauro (Jun 16, 2004 12:04 pm) glanwin (Aug 28, 2005 10:31 pm)
#9 of 337 Re: Accord hybrid w/stick? [backy #8] by usbseawolf2000 Apr 17, 2004 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: backy (Apr 17, 2004 3:36 pm) sorry, I just assumed. I figured if they offer HCH with stick, they might offer HAH with a stick.   Dennis
#10 of 337 Efficiency by bamacar Apr 17, 2004 (4:08 pm)
Efficiency is only one factor to be considered. I would be happy with Civic like efficiency and Accord V6 power. Honda's V6 has 240hp and is much preferred over the Toyota's 210hp. The electric is only one part of the equation. Another factor is the sportier Honda ride, and the Buick-look dash in the Camry I can do without. Replies to this message: usbseawolf2000 (Apr 17, 2004 7:47 pm) kdhspyder (Sep 13, 2005 2:23 pm) hongcho (Sep 14, 2005 5:18 pm)

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