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#9989 of 10338 Re: 2006 Volvo S80 2.5T at 96K Km (60K miles) [jimsxn] by lexusguy

Nov 14, 2009 (7:10 pm)

Replying to: jimsxn (Nov 14, 2009 7:55 am)
I am attracted to Volvo for ride comfort, ease of entry and exit, space (family of four) and a dash of driving fun. Too much to ask? Why do people buy a Volvo nowadays when all cars are equally safe? Is there a better choice for about the same chunk of change?
 
The previous generation S80 was never more than a middling car. The seats are OK, but not nearly as comfortable as some Volvos past. Rear legroom and trunk space are average for a mid-size car. The 2.5T is reasonably quick in the S60, but it's weighed down by the S80 and is on the sluggish side. I suppose it depends on what you would consider a "dash" but the S80 was about as fun to drive as an Avalon or Hyundai Azera. Brutal depreciation makes them affordable, but service bills will be just as high as a BMW or Mercedes shop.
 
I wouldn't say that "all" cars are equally safe, but a Volvo is no safer than an Audi, Honda, Subaru, etc. I'm not sure why people buy them. Other than their safety rep which is largely irrelevant these days, Volvo doesn't specialize or excel at anything. Their powertrains are always a generation behind the real luxury players, and their electronics are stuck in the stone age.
 
As an alternative to the Volvo, I would suggest looking at '08 Accords. They have similar space, and are more involving to drive. The Accord is also something you could keep for a long time, whereas high mileage Volvos tend to become maintenance hogs.

#9990 of 10338 Re: Not a popular sentiment, but here goes. . . [lexusguy] by jlbl

Nov 15, 2009 (12:16 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 14, 2009 6:37 pm)
"It's sold as the Honda Legend in Japan and Australia, but I'm not sure where else. I don't think Honda sells anything above the Accord Euro in Europe."
 
In addition to the Accord, the Legend is sold over here too.
 
Regards,
Jose

#9991 of 10338 Re: Not a popular sentiment, but here goes. . . [lexusguy] by houdini1

Nov 15, 2009 (9:29 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 13, 2009 5:01 pm)
The trouble starts in categories like luxury sedans, where they are comparing totally different cars in different size and price classes, and they begin to lose all credibility.
 
Forbes just named the the Jaguar XF as one of the top ten clunkers to avoid. Part of their "research" came from CR. The Mercedes GL 450 also made the list.

#9992 of 10338 Re: Not a popular sentiment, but here goes. . . [houdini1] by lexusguy

Nov 16, 2009 (12:09 am)

Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 15, 2009 9:29 am)
Forbes just named the the Jaguar XF as one of the top ten clunkers to avoid. Part of their "research" came from CR. The Mercedes GL 450 also made the list.
 
I struggle to think of worse automotive "journalism" than the stuff from Forbes. Their articles are entirely meaningless. Just words on paper. About as bad as Jean Jennings.

#9993 of 10338 Re: Volvos--I would Avoid [art234] by amerjam

Nov 18, 2009 (5:21 am)

Replying to: art234 (Apr 24, 2009 1:49 pm)
We have just eaten $5000 replacing the transmission on our S-80. We have had Volvo's all our lives and this is a first. It's a 2004 and we contacted Volvo of America, but they would only give limited assistance. Something isn't right here. We have never experienced this problem through the years. You would think that since we go religiously for service that a company such as this would have been more helpful. Sadly, I am no longer impressed with these cars - the track record is out the window.

#9994 of 10338 Re: Volvos--I would Avoid [amerjam] by rayainsw

Nov 18, 2009 (9:41 am)

Replying to: amerjam (Nov 18, 2009 5:21 am)
What miles?
[ Edit:
And what model \ motor ? ]
Assuming that you are out of MFR warranty period,
4 years \ 50,000 miles,
- just curious - what exactly did you expect from Volvo?
- Ray
Drove several Volvos many miles - back to a PV544 in College..

#9995 of 10338 Re: Volvos--I would Avoid [amerjam] by qbrozen

Nov 18, 2009 (11:23 am)

Replying to: amerjam (Nov 18, 2009 5:21 am)
In case you haven't already read, the T6 uses a GM transmission and is prone to failures. I would dump the car ASAP.

#9996 of 10338 dump it ? Re: Volvos--I would Avoid [qbrozen] by rayainsw

Nov 18, 2009 (11:53 am)

Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 18, 2009 11:23 am)
"I would dump the car ASAP. "
Well - just having put $5K into a car worth something
like $10-$12K -
and having replaced the trouble-prone component,
I'm not sure that is the most prudent course...
- Ray
Out $5K, I think I'd keep it and hope to
amass a few more $$s before changing cars...

#9997 of 10338 Re: dump it ? Re: Volvos--I would Avoid [rayainsw] by qbrozen

Nov 18, 2009 (12:58 pm)

Replying to: rayainsw (Nov 18, 2009 11:53 am)
well, ok, I was overstating it a bit. Yes, with a new trans, I would hold it for a while, but not TOO long.
 
Oh, and its only worth maybe $8k on a trade. I wouldn't have spent $5k on it in the first place. But that's me.

#9998 of 10338 Re: Volvos--I would Avoid [amerjam] by rayainsw

Nov 20, 2009 (10:30 am)

Replying to: amerjam (Nov 18, 2009 5:21 am)
"Member Since: November 18, 2009 "
And only this one post.
Oh, well....
My point here was only that the mfr wty is
[ whatever it is ]
and I would NOT expect the mfr to pay for
the full cost of any major repair past the terms.
Else why set terms?
Just my 0.2 gallons worth...
- Ray
Personally, would not have a Volvo
[ or any other car ]
past the mfr mty....

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