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Re: 2010 E class [walounk] by carolinabob
Sep 21, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: walounk (Sep 21, 2009 9:57 am)

April 2009 Consumer Reports recommends the E350 based on much improved reliability reports. E class '03-'08: 96 rated systems with 8 all black ones and 9 half black ones. While this is not good, it ain't that bad either. There are many, many more all red and half red circles as well. '08 had two half blacks only.
    Also, CR recommended the E350 along with the M35, Audi A6 and BMW 535i as good midsized luxury cars.
    BTW, April issue is the basis for all of their quarterly issues for the most part.
     In points, the E350 essentially scores second to M35 in its class and above 10 other cars. They rate two M's and two E350's.
    Should reliability be better than this. You bet.
    If you think you see lots of complaints on MB Forum, check out the Hyundai Azera and Genesis forums, as well as some others.
   BTW, CR is not all that accurate anyway due to the demographics of their subscribers, the inaccuracies of their surveying and the small sample for some models. I know, I am a member and for last two years had to ask them to send me the darn survey.
    Which brings up the question, if MB, BMW, et. al. are so bad and CR is so accurate, why do their members buy the cars?
    BTW I have looked real hard at the M and test driven three of them and evern with good offers, just don't like the car. Feel squeezed in, noisy and doesn't ride that well.
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Re: 2010 E class [carolinabob] by bocatrip
Sep 21, 2009 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Sep 21, 2009 10:16 am)

The E class has always been the work horse of the Benz line. Stray from that model either up or down, and quality control issues galore arise.
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Re: 2010 E class [carolinabob] by james27
Sep 21, 2009 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Sep 21, 2009 10:16 am)

I don't particularly like my M, and spent nearly $1k on soundproofing to make it less stressful on a long drive on the interstate (which helped, but it still isn't as quiet as the previous A6), but it was the only car I had enough headroom in. I looked at the MB new E-class, and it is too tight. Now, if I was bald, it wouldn't be a problem! Well, I don't like having to duck to see under the mirror or see a traffic light if you are first in line, but you get used to it after awhile. After a month of thinking about it, Mercedes US decided they wouldn't build one without a sunroof for me like they do in nearly any other country in the world. WIthout the sunroof, headroom goes from 37.9" to 41.3". I think if more people realized how much more open the car feels when you have more headroom, even if you don't really need it, they wouldn't covet the sunroof, what with the loss, and the extra weight high up and the $1K or more it costs (better spent on other, neater gagets!). Insurance costs are lower without a piece of glass in the roof, and it has to be stronger without it, too.
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Re: 2010 E class [bocatrip] by lexusguy
Sep 21, 2009 (10:06 pm)
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Replying to: bocatrip (Sep 21, 2009 1:51 pm)

The E class has always been the work horse of the Benz line. Stray from that model either up or down, and quality control issues galore arise.
 
Not necessarily. The E class was one of the first to get MB's electronic brake system, which they later had to remove because it was so unreliable. All Mercedes models were terrible from around 2000-2006 or so, E class included. They are supposed to be better now.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by maximafan
Sep 27, 2009 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 7:08 pm)

That seems strange to me. Here in Tampa, Florida, on the road, I see G37 sedans two to one versus the current Acura TL. I hardly
have seen the current TL on the road much around Tampa.
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Re: A4 it is [houdini1] by maximafan
Sep 27, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 01, 2009 7:08 pm)

I hear you on that one, Houdini! I hate the sound of the 4 cylinders on start up because they sound so weak once you turn the ignition key.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by maximafan
Sep 27, 2009 (4:40 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 7:32 pm)

Oh, Please! I actually agree with Lexusguy on the interior of the new TL and of all the current Acura's. There's too much monotone
stuff going on inside the TL. The previous generation TL and the
TSX had the nice interiors! For instance, why did Acura take away the nice violet/blue trim on the speedometer/instrument panel? Now, it's just one color, light blue over black?? The previous instrument panel was much better looking.
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A4 and all Those other cars. by mltsurger
Oct 05, 2009 (3:40 pm)
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i thought this was a blog on the Infinity cars.Oh that's right ,we are usually driving them instead of sitting in front of a key board.
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Re: A4 and all Those other cars. [mltsurger] by pat HOST
Oct 07, 2009 (3:43 am)
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Replying to: mltsurger (Oct 05, 2009 3:40 pm)

There is a line at the top of this discussion that says What is this discussion about? Check that out. It's a discussion about all of those cars and really any other car that might fit the "Luxury Performance Sedan" definition which isn't listed, not just Infinitis.
 
Hope this helps!
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Infiniti 2010 M35 by m4m
Oct 07, 2009 (5:13 am)
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I just bought M35S. I absolutely love it. Have looked at and tested ALL models in this class (Audi A6, BMW528, GS350, Jag XF, Acura RL, E350 and even Hyundai Genesis, did not bother with Lincoln or Cadillac). Each of them has their strengths and each of them has their weaknesses. M35 - Much more car for the money!
The interior is great and the outside is soo sleek I've only had mine for a few weeks, but I'm absolutely astounded at the level of luxury, technology and comfort in this car. With perhaps one or two exceptions Infiniti has thought of everything with this car.
I have the Sport version with the 19" wheels so it rides a little rougher than maybe the other trims, but it's still an incredible ride. Sport pkg seats are perfect, just the right firmness for a balance of support and comfort.
The gas mileage it is not bad either (7 speed tran +303 HP) so far 20.4 MPG combined for this level of sophistication, luxury and comfort.

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