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Re: Headroom issues [james27] by james27
Jul 09, 2009 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: james27 (Jun 24, 2009 3:18 pm)

The full MBUSA brochure for the 2010 E-class is now on their website: front headroom listed is 37.9". If you go to the UK website (easiest to read since it's in English), the list the front headroom as 41.2" (which, must be without a sunroof - they don't list a separate number for those that do have one - at least that I found).
 
Very dissapointing. I may still go and sit in one, but I'm not expecting good things.
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Re: Headroom issues [james27] by bellhead
Aug 12, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: james27 (Jun 05, 2009 2:46 pm)

Tall people are ignored more and more in modern cars. It seems the seats are getting lower and HARDER. I'm 6-feet tall (w/long legs) and the seats don't go back far enough in the BMW 5, Lexus LS or GS, Infinity G (an extremely tight fit), Audi A6, or Acura TL. And the Lexus LS seats are too hard.
 
The new Benz E-class seats are so low I feel like I am right on the floor with my knees unbent (although the seat goes back far). The E-class seats themselves feel fine, and would be great higher up.
 
The Infinity M35 and Acura RL have just enough room but the seats are HARD,
especially under the thighs.
And in the top cars like the BMW 7 or Audi A8, the seats have weird, hard, thigh supports. (The BMW 7 has thigh support that extends & leaves an empty gap right under my knees; it's awful if you use it at all for long legs.)
The Benz S-class seats also are too low for me; not as low as the E-class,
but still won't tilt up enough in front, making it very annoying. The S-class seats themselves are nicely padded.
The best feeling and positioned seats are in the Cadillac DTS (honest) and the Volvo S80 IMHO (but both of those have small footwells for tall people, especially for the left foot).
So, no place for me yet. (I didn't have these problems in cars 10 years ago. I think the new cars are designed for smaller drivers. I think this started with Saturn,
which I thought was the world's most uncomfortable car.)
Thanks for reading.
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Re: Headroom issues [bellhead] by carnaught
Aug 13, 2009 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: bellhead (Aug 12, 2009 6:22 pm)

Out of curiosity have you tried sitting in the new generation Taurus? It might fit you the best even though it may not be your dream car.
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Re: Headroom issues [carnaught] by james27
Aug 13, 2009 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Aug 13, 2009 6:36 am)

The spec on the Taurus has 39" - they don't list what it is with a sunroof, you often lose at least 2". The good thing is it appears you can get it without a sunroof on all models except the SHO, which has it as part of most of the options packages. Maybe worth a try, but my hair rubs on the roof now on a bad hair day, and my M35 has 39.7". Over 41" would allow flexibility on adjusting the seat so I wouldn't always have to sit on the floor. Also, moving the seat up some gives more foot room for those behind (not that I carry passengers back there often). I'm sort of lusting after the 32mpg of the diesel and over 600-miles on a tank during a trip, too. If I really wanted to go in a different path, the Nissan Cube (?) has over 42", if I remember. I just prefer something a little more geared towards quiet comfort and a bit more power.
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Re: Headroom issues [bellhead] by lexusguy
Aug 14, 2009 (10:48 pm)
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Replying to: bellhead (Aug 12, 2009 6:22 pm)

So, no place for me yet. (I didn't have these problems in cars 10 years ago. I think the new cars are designed for smaller drivers. I think this started with Saturn,
which I thought was the world's most uncomfortable car.)

 
How about any of the big luxury coupes (those few that are left)? It's been awhile since I've driven one, but from what I can remember all of the big coupes like the MB CL have absolutely massive amounts of legroom for the driver, much more than any sedan I've ever driven. Headroom might be a problem though.
 
Unfortunately, when Ford Restyled the Taurus this year they cut the roof line by a few inches to make the car look sleeker, taking away those inches in headroom, of course.
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M56 by rayainsw
Aug 15, 2009 (5:26 am)
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Looks like next year there will be
a new M - an M56, from Infiniti.
Interesting...
- Ray
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Re: M56 [rayainsw] by lexusguy
Aug 15, 2009 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 15, 2009 5:26 am)

Looks like next year there will be
a new M - an M56, from Infiniti.
Interesting...

 
Indeed, where did you hear that? The next M is definitely coming soon, but there was talk about no V8 at all this time, with the options instead being M37 and some sort of M hybrid. A new M50 would be logical enough, but M56 implies the use of Nissan's truck engine, which makes no sense in a luxury car.
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where ? Re: M56 [lexusguy] by rayainsw
Aug 15, 2009 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 15, 2009 2:05 pm)

http://www.nissannews.com/newsrelease.do?id=836&mid=1
 
 08.14.2009 , Pebble Beach, Calif.
2011 Infiniti M Makes Virtual Debut at Concours d’Elegance
 
Infiniti today provided an advanced look at the all-new 2011 Infiniti M performance luxury sedan at the 59th Annual Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance. This is the third generation of Infiniti’s popular M and the first to be sold across all of Infiniti’s 32 markets around the world, including Western Europe.
 
Like the current Infiniti M, the next-generation design will be offered with V8 and V6 engines. The 2011 M models will be designated the Infiniti M56 and Infiniti M37 respectively, reflecting their more powerful, larger displacement engines. The M56 V8 is expected to offer more than 400 horsepower. For Western Europe, the M56 will be replaced by a V6 performance diesel.
 
The 2011 Infiniti M also features a completely redesigned body, with authentic sports sedan proportions and evocative new styling with a low front end and deeply sculpted fenders inspired by the Infiniti Essence concept car. The new M interior promises to be pure Infiniti, highlighted by the use of innovative materials, an advanced climate control system, superior audio and an enhanced quality feel. Despite improved performance from the new engine lineup, fuel consumption will be reduced.
 
In addition, the 2011 M will continue Infiniti’s technology innovation leadership with a blind spot intervention system. This industry-first system is designed to help alert the driver if another vehicle is detected in an adjacent lane during an intended lane change, and then help assist the driver in returning the vehicle toward the center of the original lane of travel.
 
The 2011 Infiniti M, which is scheduled to go on sale across the world starting from spring 2010, was revealed through a unique “video mapping” process – in which a “virtual M” was created on a 3D form. It is the world’s first “virtual only” (no physical vehicle) automotive application of this cutting-edge technology. The 2011 Infiniti M will make its official public debut later this year.
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Re: where ? Re: M56 [rayainsw] by barryend
Aug 15, 2009 (10:29 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 15, 2009 2:47 pm)

The new M is a beauty. I hope they cured the bad steering, bad ride, noise and trammeling issue. My 2006 M35X was a horrible ride. Love my 2009 Audi A4 with sports package.
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Re: Headroom issues [bellhead] by rbirns1
Aug 18, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: bellhead (Aug 12, 2009 6:22 pm)

What about rear seat headroom? I'm 6-2 and usually have no problem with driver seat headroom. I have a teenage son who is already near 6-4, on his way to 6-6+. Just tested a CTS (with sunroof) yesterday and he was already up to the headliner in the back seat. Also tested the 2010 SRX (dealer had one just for the afternoon) and it had slightly more more headroom (about an inch). My current Audi Q7 has plenty of headroom except for third row of course. Anyway, which luxury sedans (or crossovers) should I be considering?

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