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#9893 of 10007 Re: Lot of Emotion Here [art234] by houdini1 May 02, 2009 (5:08 am)
Replying to: art234 (May 02, 2009 4:34 am) In the long run all that matters is that it is your money being spent so you get to choose what you buy! Certainly the A4 is a fine car that is very appealing to a lot of folks.   Passionate debates are what keeps my interest here at Edmund's but some of the rants are amusing. It shows a lot of immaturity because nearly all the cars represented here are great cars and attempting to belittle a certain car does not make another car any better.   One other odd thing about this particular debate is that technically, neither the TL nor the A4 is listed here as being a luxury performance sedan! Replies to this message: draz2 (May 02, 2009 5:26 am) jimbres (May 02, 2009 5:29 am)
#9894 of 10007 Re: Lot of Emotion Here [houdini1] by draz2 May 02, 2009 (5:26 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (May 02, 2009 5:08 am) >One other odd thing about this particular debate is that technically, neither the TL nor the A4 is listed here as being a luxury performance sedan! - -   And that's what rankles me the most. The TL undoubtedly belongs there. Nothing against the A4. It's a great car for what it is, but it's s very significantly smaller car with far less standard features than the TL. I think the TL solidly belongs in the class of the 5 series, A6, and E-class. And belongs there at a price that is far more competitive with their smaller siblings (A4, C-class, 3 series).
#9895 of 10007 Re: Lot of Emotion Here [houdini1] by jimbres May 02, 2009 (5:29 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (May 02, 2009 5:08 am) One other odd thing about this particular debate is that technically, neither the TL nor the A4 is listed here as being a luxury performance sedan!   Good point. This discussion is supposed to focus on mid-luxe - not entry level - cars. If we want to debate Audi / Acura / BMW, we should be talking about the A6, the RL & the 5-series. Lower priced cars are off-topic.
#9896 of 10007 Re: A4 it is [james27] by shmang May 02, 2009 (1:11 pm)
Replying to: james27 (May 01, 2009 7:31 pm) That sales number sounds reasonable. However, the Audi A4 includes the 2.0T and the 3.0. Let's assume (without knowing the actual) that the sales of 2.0T is 60% of all A4 sales, so the sales number of A4 2.0T is roughly 60% of Acura TL. Sounds reasonable?   As far as the style, it is in the eye of beholder and as long as there are more people like it, it is a sucessful design - it definitely is not for everyone.
#9897 of 10007 BMW 3 series vs. TL by shmang May 02, 2009 (1:16 pm)
IMO, they are not at the same level. 3 series smokes TL - not only on performance, but also in design, prestige and brand loyalty. Heck, I would consider Infiniti before Acura. But, if BMW's reliability can match up (with Infiniti, Lexus or Acura), I would own BMW exclusively.
#9898 of 10007 Re: A4 it is [draz2] by james27 May 02, 2009 (3:49 pm)
Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 7:39 pm) If you really need your ego stroked, then I guess you'd never consider a good car from a 'lesser' car company...just no status in that. Personally, if I liked the car, I wouldn't care about the others waiting in the room.
#9899 of 10007 Re: A4 it is [draz2] by cdnpinhead May 03, 2009 (4:29 pm)
Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 7:32 pm) Wow, you're a real car guy. I can tell.   Well, yeah, Mr. 36 posts, he is a real car guy. I often disagree with him, but his opinions are usually well founded and politely put.   Acuras are cheap and good. I own one. I don't ever pretend that it's a real enthusiast's vehicle. It's an appliance, and a good one, but it's no BMW or Audi.   Long story, but the old timers have heard it before and the newbies probably don't care.   It's the never-ending "my cheap car is as good as (or better than) your expensive car" discussion.   Keeps the boards going, I guess. Replies to this message: draz2 (May 04, 2009 6:17 am) tayl0rd (May 05, 2009 8:01 am) lexusguy (May 05, 2009 5:08 pm)
#9900 of 10007 Re: Lot of Emotion Here [art234] by barryend May 04, 2009 (4:44 am)
Replying to: art234 (May 02, 2009 4:34 am) Art:   I have my 2009 Audi A4 Premium Plus, sport package, Nav for a week. I was thrilled with the experience. The comfort, ride and quality are fabulous. The front seat room is comparable to the M35X Infiniti's. Ride, sound control, steering and handling were superior.   I read you can buy software to reprogram the A4 engine chips and gain 60 hp. $500.00 gains 60 hp. Not for me but some readers may want to know. Audiworld forums had an ad.   We drove to Manhattan in pouring rain yesterday. Winding narrow parkways, bumpy streets, I-87, Sprain Brook speedway and I-287 which is in reconstruction for 5 years. The security and handling were outstanding. The ride even with sports suspension was excellent. No wifely complaints. The ride softened up after a few days driving. Now I am sold on the sports package. I am concerned about flats from potholes with the P7's but that is the cost of doing business.    I am not opting for $750.00 wheel/tire insurance since it does not cover curb rash. If I ruin a tire I will pay. I only ruined one wheel in my recent life and found a new one on Ebay cheap.   I am jealous you are getting the 2010 Nav. my 2009 was a waste of money. Costco sells better Navs for $300.00. Backup camera is excellent.   When do you expect delivery of the 2010?   Barry Replies to this message: art234 (May 05, 2009 12:37 pm)
#9901 of 10007 Re: A4 it is [cdnpinhead] by draz2 May 04, 2009 (6:17 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (May 03, 2009 4:29 pm) Interesting post. But tell me then, exactly what differentiates the 'pedestrian' Acura from it's more iconic competitors?   Lets go down the list:   Power- it has it in spades. Not quite as quick as the BMW 335/535 but faster than the 328/528 and way faster than the 2.0T Audi.   Handling - With SH-AWD it'll outhandle virtually anything out there.   Interior comfort/refinement - As long as your wish-list doesn't include wood trim, the interior of the new TL is as upscale and modern a place as you'd ever want to find yourself.   Standard equipment/technology - I think we all know Acura leads the pack here. You're gettiing a backup camera, SOTA nav system/screen, ipod interface, xenon headlights, built-in hard drive, bluetooth, seat memories, heated seats, etc. all for well under $38k.   Quietness. lack of NVH - Again, I invite you to take a 2009 TL out for a test drive. It's as quiet as my former ES 350 with much, much more power. The drivetrain is silky smooth and there's no vibration to be felt anywhere.   Quality/reliability - Have you seen Consumer Reports or J.D. Powers lately? Acura consistently tops those lists.   Safety - The TL is the only car that has earned top ratings from each crash test it has been in, bettering BMW (by a wide margin here), M-B and Audi.   So remind me again just what is it that relegates the TL to a pedestrian class of cars? Replies to this message: tayl0rd (May 05, 2009 8:01 am) lexusguy (May 05, 2009 5:08 pm)

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