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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 2:34 pm)

I guess that's why the 2009 TL won Wards Automotive Best Interior award for the current model year (http://wardsauto.com/ar/wards_interior_winners_090406/index.html).
 
Yeah, that interior really sucks.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by james27
May 01, 2009 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 3:36 pm)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...personally, I think it looks lousy, but then that doesn't really matter to you.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 2:34 pm)

That is a very strong rant against the TL. Do you have any sales figures for the TL vs the A4 in the U.S.? How are all the people voting?
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Re: A4 it is [houdini1] by shmang
May 01, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 01, 2009 6:06 pm)

Yeah, really. I bet the sales number of Acura TL will embarrass A4 - although I am not an Acura guy myself. It is not anything specific, it is about the total package. TL beat A4 2.0T hands down if you ask me. Only old timers care if the interior is real wood or not. To most customers, as long as it looks better, who cares.
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Re: A4 it is [houdini1] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 01, 2009 6:06 pm)

People seem to be voting with their wallets. You know what they say...'numbers don't lie.' But TL haters will keep knocking it in spite of the fact that people are buying them in higher numbers than anything else out there in it's segment. Nope, no real bargain there. Those people must all just be blind....or insane....or both.
 
The 09 TL is actually doing decently, and kicking the butt of the G37. G sales are off 47%!! What I also found interesting is that Hyndai sold more Genesis sedans than Infiniti sold G sedans, just by a few, but still the G sedan seems to be faced with growing competition and is stumbling mid-life. I don't know about the A4 but you can bet it's trailing the pack...by a long shot.
 
Rounded:
 
TL Sales 3100
Genesis 2100
G37 Sedan 2000
 
Overall view: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=147306
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Re: A4 it is [shmang] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: shmang (May 01, 2009 6:51 pm)

That is kind of what I think. I don't have a dog in this fight either but I just can't see any 4 banger, turbo or not, showing up too well today with all the sweet v6's around. Especially if that 4 banger costs $50 grand.
 
The engine is the heart and soul of any auto and I've yet to see a 4 banger that did not vibrate and buzz too much for my taste. IMO no amount of glitz will make up for that.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 01, 2009 (7:20 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 3:36 pm)

I guess that's why the 2009 TL won Wards Automotive Best Interior award for the current model year
 
I couldn't care less what Wards thinks. The ergonomics in the TL are terrible, and the materials look and feel cheap. The cheap plastic fake aluminum trim looks like cheap plastic. The center stack is cheap plastic, and the console is cheap plastic. The TL interior is basically the same quality as what you get in a Mazda6 or Nissan Maxima. The only difference is the Mazda and Nissan aren't pretending to be luxury cars. I actually prefer the Maxima.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 7:08 pm)

It is hard to check Audi numbers because they are usually grouped with VW.
 
I've driven the Genesis and found it to be very impressive, top notch IMO. If I was in the market it would definitely be on the list.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 01, 2009 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 7:08 pm)

People seem to be voting with their wallets. You know what they say...'numbers don't lie.' But TL haters will keep knocking it in spite of the fact that people are buying them in higher numbers than anything else out there in it's segment. Nope, no real bargain there. Those people must all just be blind....or insane....or both.
 
You're conveniently leaving out the fact that the TL is getting annihilated by the 3 series. 8,464 of which were sold in March. Numbers indeed don't lie, and the TL isn't even close to being the segment leader. TL buyers must be blind, I don't know how they could get past the styling if they could actually see it.
 
5 series sales were 4,040 in March, by the way. How's that RL doing these days?
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Re: A4 it is [shmang] by james27
May 01, 2009 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: shmang (May 01, 2009 6:51 pm)

The latest month where I could find a breakdown of both Acura and Audi was from Feb 09
 
Acura TL 2293
Audi A4 2202
 
Hardly a trouncing or difinitive difference.

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