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Re: A4 it is [art234] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: art234 (Apr 26, 2009 6:26 am)

I'm going to guess you paid around $41k for the car loaded. For about $3k less you could have gotten an Acura TL SH-AWD w/ the Tech package (Acura's only option package) which would have given you every bell and whistle imaginable plus a car that's a lot more roomy and has far more power. To say nothing of bullet proof reliability.
 
Oh well, to each their own I guess.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am)

I agree with everything you said except my bet is he paid closer to $50 grand for the Audi.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by carnaught
May 01, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am)

For about $3k less you could have gotten an Acura TL SH-AWD w/ the Tech package (Acura's only option package) which would have given you every bell and whistle imaginable plus a car that's a lot more roomy and has far more power.
 
....plus butt ugly (actually fugly) at no extra charge (LOL).
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 01, 2009 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am)

For about $3k less you could have gotten an Acura TL SH-AWD w/ the Tech package (Acura's only option package) which would have given you every bell and whistle imaginable plus a car that's a lot more roomy and has far more power. To say nothing of bullet proof reliability.
 
As has already been pointed out, the TL is.. well hideous. I haven't been so revolted by a car's styling since the Pontiac Aztec. You do get lots electronic gizmos as is the Acura way, but you also get lousy materials and an ugly interior absolutely plastered with buttons, which is also the Acura way. I counted some 16 buttons on the steering wheel alone. Every last piece of trim in there is plastic.
 
In the Audi you get real aluminum, or real wood. In the Acura you get plastic and like it, as there is not even an option for real trim. The Acura may be one of the cheapest cars in the class, but it looks and feels like the cheapest car in the class. Even the Cadillac CTS has an interior that's about 500x better, mostly because the CTS is not a glitzed-up Chevy.
 
Despite its 305hp, the Acura is also one of the slowest cars in the class, thanks to Honda's inability to design an engine that has any torque below redline. In C&D's recent comparison test (where the TL SH-AWD came in last place to an A4 2.0T, G35, and BMW 328i), it was barely faster than the 4-cylinder Audi.
 
"Bullet-proof reliability" is also not a certainty by any means. All of those electronic gizmos that come standard in an Acuras tend to go wrong in their first model year introductions, and must be corrected in year 2 and 3.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 2:34 pm)

I guess that's why the 2009 TL won Wards Automotive Best Interior award for the current model year (http://wardsauto.com/ar/wards_interior_winners_090406/index.html).
 
Yeah, that interior really sucks.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by james27
May 01, 2009 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 3:36 pm)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...personally, I think it looks lousy, but then that doesn't really matter to you.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 2:34 pm)

That is a very strong rant against the TL. Do you have any sales figures for the TL vs the A4 in the U.S.? How are all the people voting?
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Re: A4 it is [houdini1] by shmang
May 01, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 01, 2009 6:06 pm)

Yeah, really. I bet the sales number of Acura TL will embarrass A4 - although I am not an Acura guy myself. It is not anything specific, it is about the total package. TL beat A4 2.0T hands down if you ask me. Only old timers care if the interior is real wood or not. To most customers, as long as it looks better, who cares.
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Re: A4 it is [houdini1] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 01, 2009 6:06 pm)

People seem to be voting with their wallets. You know what they say...'numbers don't lie.' But TL haters will keep knocking it in spite of the fact that people are buying them in higher numbers than anything else out there in it's segment. Nope, no real bargain there. Those people must all just be blind....or insane....or both.
 
The 09 TL is actually doing decently, and kicking the butt of the G37. G sales are off 47%!! What I also found interesting is that Hyndai sold more Genesis sedans than Infiniti sold G sedans, just by a few, but still the G sedan seems to be faced with growing competition and is stumbling mid-life. I don't know about the A4 but you can bet it's trailing the pack...by a long shot.
 
Rounded:
 
TL Sales 3100
Genesis 2100
G37 Sedan 2000
 
Overall view: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=147306
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Re: A4 it is [shmang] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: shmang (May 01, 2009 6:51 pm)

That is kind of what I think. I don't have a dog in this fight either but I just can't see any 4 banger, turbo or not, showing up too well today with all the sweet v6's around. Especially if that 4 banger costs $50 grand.
 
The engine is the heart and soul of any auto and I've yet to see a 4 banger that did not vibrate and buzz too much for my taste. IMO no amount of glitz will make up for that.

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