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Re: 2007 Acura RL [palincal] by lexusguy
Apr 25, 2009 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: palincal (Apr 25, 2009 7:43 pm)

RL is a safer car than a BMW 5-series by a big margin. In fact RL is one of the safest vehicles around. Check out http://informedforlife.org/demos/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/1MasterSCOREr.pdf for a comprehensive safety study.
 
Thanks for that list, interesting stuff. Acura deserves credit for their commitment to safety, and they also deserve credit for quickly improving the RL's quality to among the best in the segment after a very mediocre first model year. You'll get no argument from me there. The RL is a very well engineered product. It is however, IMO, a rather poorly designed product.
 
The A6 is both very well engineered and very well designed, and its quality as of late has been excellent, if not quite a match for the RL and M.
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A4 it is by art234
Apr 26, 2009 (6:26 am)
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Well yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered a 2010 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro loaded--Prestige, Driver Assist (only way to get back up camera now), with walnut.
 
I expect delivery mid-late July.
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Re: A4 it is [art234] by lexusguy
Apr 26, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: art234 (Apr 26, 2009 6:26 am)

Well yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered a 2010 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro loaded--Prestige, Driver Assist (only way to get back up camera now), with walnut.
 
Congrats! The 2.0T engine has proved so popular (over 90% of sales) that Audi has dropped the 3.2L engine choice for 2010.
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Re: A4 it is [art234] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: art234 (Apr 26, 2009 6:26 am)

I'm going to guess you paid around $41k for the car loaded. For about $3k less you could have gotten an Acura TL SH-AWD w/ the Tech package (Acura's only option package) which would have given you every bell and whistle imaginable plus a car that's a lot more roomy and has far more power. To say nothing of bullet proof reliability.
 
Oh well, to each their own I guess.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am)

I agree with everything you said except my bet is he paid closer to $50 grand for the Audi.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by carnaught
May 01, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am)

For about $3k less you could have gotten an Acura TL SH-AWD w/ the Tech package (Acura's only option package) which would have given you every bell and whistle imaginable plus a car that's a lot more roomy and has far more power.
 
....plus butt ugly (actually fugly) at no extra charge (LOL).
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by lexusguy
May 01, 2009 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am)

For about $3k less you could have gotten an Acura TL SH-AWD w/ the Tech package (Acura's only option package) which would have given you every bell and whistle imaginable plus a car that's a lot more roomy and has far more power. To say nothing of bullet proof reliability.
 
As has already been pointed out, the TL is.. well hideous. I haven't been so revolted by a car's styling since the Pontiac Aztec. You do get lots electronic gizmos as is the Acura way, but you also get lousy materials and an ugly interior absolutely plastered with buttons, which is also the Acura way. I counted some 16 buttons on the steering wheel alone. Every last piece of trim in there is plastic.
 
In the Audi you get real aluminum, or real wood. In the Acura you get plastic and like it, as there is not even an option for real trim. The Acura may be one of the cheapest cars in the class, but it looks and feels like the cheapest car in the class. Even the Cadillac CTS has an interior that's about 500x better, mostly because the CTS is not a glitzed-up Chevy.
 
Despite its 305hp, the Acura is also one of the slowest cars in the class, thanks to Honda's inability to design an engine that has any torque below redline. In C&D's recent comparison test (where the TL SH-AWD came in last place to an A4 2.0T, G35, and BMW 328i), it was barely faster than the 4-cylinder Audi.
 
"Bullet-proof reliability" is also not a certainty by any means. All of those electronic gizmos that come standard in an Acuras tend to go wrong in their first model year introductions, and must be corrected in year 2 and 3.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by draz2
May 01, 2009 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 2:34 pm)

I guess that's why the 2009 TL won Wards Automotive Best Interior award for the current model year (http://wardsauto.com/ar/wards_interior_winners_090406/index.html).
 
Yeah, that interior really sucks.
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Re: A4 it is [draz2] by james27
May 01, 2009 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 3:36 pm)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...personally, I think it looks lousy, but then that doesn't really matter to you.
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Re: A4 it is [lexusguy] by houdini1
May 01, 2009 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 01, 2009 2:34 pm)

That is a very strong rant against the TL. Do you have any sales figures for the TL vs the A4 in the U.S.? How are all the people voting?

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