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Replying to: art234 (Apr 24, 2009 12:49 pm) Having said that, I would tend to agree that Volvo has quality issues (below average reliability) while Infiniti (at least the M) have 5 star reliability ratings and rated very high on most resources.
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Replying to: shmang (Apr 24, 2009 2:59 pm) My M has been driven by some neutral experts, including a master technician from Nissan who is also trained on Infiniti, who told me the vibration would be unacceptable to him in a Sentra, let alone an M. The issue for me is not so much the problem itself than the way Infiniti handled it. When the vibration began causing a buzzing noise inside the car at certain speeds, the service manager of the dealership told me to "turn the radio up". For the record the Volvo was driven by my wife, not me, and we are both very good to our cars--we do not drive them hard at all. My choices for a new car now are the Audi A4 and the BMW 328xi. We drove the 335 and it is too much car for my wife. Again good luck with the Volvo if you so choose. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 24, 2009 10:11 am) I consider reliability as one of the biggest safety factors which most studies don't take into account. BMWs are far behind Acuras in terms of reliability. I have seen enough BMWs stranded on the roadside to never consider buying one.
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Replying to: palincal (Apr 25, 2009 7:43 pm) Thanks for that list, interesting stuff. Acura deserves credit for their commitment to safety, and they also deserve credit for quickly improving the RL's quality to among the best in the segment after a very mediocre first model year. You'll get no argument from me there. The RL is a very well engineered product. It is however, IMO, a rather poorly designed product. The A6 is both very well engineered and very well designed, and its quality as of late has been excellent, if not quite a match for the RL and M. |
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Well yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered a 2010 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro loaded--Prestige, Driver Assist (only way to get back up camera now), with walnut. I expect delivery mid-late July.
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Replying to: art234 (Apr 26, 2009 6:26 am) Congrats! The 2.0T engine has proved so popular (over 90% of sales) that Audi has dropped the 3.2L engine choice for 2010. |
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Replying to: art234 (Apr 26, 2009 6:26 am) Oh well, to each their own I guess.
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am) |
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am) ....plus butt ugly (actually fugly) at no extra charge (LOL). |
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Replying to: draz2 (May 01, 2009 10:48 am) As has already been pointed out, the TL is.. well hideous. I haven't been so revolted by a car's styling since the Pontiac Aztec. You do get lots electronic gizmos as is the Acura way, but you also get lousy materials and an ugly interior absolutely plastered with buttons, which is also the Acura way. I counted some 16 buttons on the steering wheel alone. Every last piece of trim in there is plastic. In the Audi you get real aluminum, or real wood. In the Acura you get plastic and like it, as there is not even an option for real trim. The Acura may be one of the cheapest cars in the class, but it looks and feels like the cheapest car in the class. Even the Cadillac CTS has an interior that's about 500x better, mostly because the CTS is not a glitzed-up Chevy. Despite its 305hp, the Acura is also one of the slowest cars in the class, thanks to Honda's inability to design an engine that has any torque below redline. In C&D's recent comparison test (where the TL SH-AWD came in last place to an A4 2.0T, G35, and BMW 328i), it was barely faster than the 4-cylinder Audi. "Bullet-proof reliability" is also not a certainty by any means. All of those electronic gizmos that come standard in an Acuras tend to go wrong in their first model year introductions, and must be corrected in year 2 and 3.
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