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You are in the Sedans
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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#9736 of 10348 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [clarence10]
Feb 24, 2009 (8:23 am)
If you like infiniti M then you probably can get 2006 CPO M35x on low 20's.
I would NOT recommend Acura RL.
I have 2008 MDX and 00 Infiniti I30..
00 I30 has better build quality (Surprising but TRUE)
I30 has better software logic (for example headlight go out/turn on when keys are in ignition NOT when the door is opened - every time -you go back to car to get something head lights turn on and then off...There are other similar minor annoyances)
MDX has TOO much technology that takes pleasure of driving away...and is making me nervous about repair cost outside warranty.
The NAV (user interface) of MDX is not that great.
Backup camera in MDX is very deceptive.
Having said that SH-AWD is blast to drive.
OK lf I were you what would I consider?
Infiniti M, G
Lexus GS, LS
Acura TL (2008 and older - not technology intensive)
I would also consider following new cars
2008 TL (If you can find one)
Hyundai Azera/Genesis...doubt you can find genesis for <30K Also I would look at the cost of financing used 20K vs 0%APR and other incentives available for new car. (If you are paying cash for thecar then this is mute point)
#9737 of 10348 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [clarence10]
Feb 24, 2009 (2:24 pm)
.What is the repair record like for these 2006 Audi A6 3.2? If you got one, would you only go with a CPO?
From what I've seen and heard, the latest A6 is supposed to be pretty good. There were a few minor issues with the initial '05s, mostly to do with MMI teething issues, but those were worked out by '06.
How long do you plan to keep the car? If it's more than two years, I would definitely either get a CPO, or talk to some Audi dealers and see if they can get you the factory extended warranty.
Both the RL and the Lexus GS300 AWD had poor reliability in their first year. Acura improved the RL quite a bit for year two, Lexus didn't. I would steer clear of the GS300 AWD. Normally a Lexus is a safe bet in terms of reliability, but for whatever reason Lexus totally blew it with the GS AWD.
#9738 of 10348 Re: Why No Mention Of The 2009 Acura TL On These Boards? [draz2]
Feb 24, 2009 (2:27 pm)
Here's what you get in the tech cars: leather, keyless entry/start, xenon headlights, real time weather and traffic, a SOTA nav system with a nav screen that rivals HDTV, backup camera, seat memory, full ipod integration, a built-in hard drive that you can burn up to 400 hours of CD music directly onto, a restaurant guide with full Zagat ratings and descriptions, heated seats, dual zone climate control and bluetooth.
You also get one of the ugliest cars in recent memory, with an interior that's Honda quality, at best. Only Acura still thinks they can charge over $40K for plastic wood and plastic aluminum. No thanks.
#9739 of 10348 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [houdini1]
Feb 24, 2009 (2:31 pm)
Some say that a good set of snow tires (all 4 tires) for the winter months is a good alternative to front wheel/all wheel drive.
Having had plenty of experience with an LS430 on Arctic Alpins and Blizzaks, I can report that the car is drivable with light snow and mostly plowed roads. That's as far as I'd go. If there's a lot of fresh snow or ice on the roads and the crews haven't gotten to it yet, forget about it. For those days I would take the wife's RX, and the LS would stay home.
#9740 of 10348 Re: Why No Mention Of The 2009 Acura TL On These Boards? [qbrozen]
Feb 24, 2009 (2:46 pm)
If you notice in the list at the top of the page, the Lexus GS is listed, while the ES is overlooked. Kind of the same reasoning, I believe.
Actually it's because the TL, ES, G37, CTS, etc. don't compete in this class. Acura has increased the size and feature content of the TL (making the RL utterly irrelevant in the process) but it's still an entry-level car, one which competes with the ES/IS, G, CTS, C-class, A4, and all the rest. You'll find them all on the entry luxury forum.
#9741 of 10348 Re: Why No Mention Of The 2009 Acura TL On These Boards? [lexusguy]
Feb 24, 2009 (2:55 pm)
Hmmm... then what is the IS? And what about the TSX?
And as far as the CTS, is it entry level merely because its the bottom rung Caddy? Because I'm pretty sure it is above entry level, at least as far as size is concerned. I don't want to get into (another) debate on what does or doesn't belong here, but it is a grey area sometimes, to be sure.
I think, to my point above, the ES is not here, not because it is entry level, because its NOT entry level as long as the IS exists, but because its not a performance sedan. Same could be said of the TL. That is, at least, if we reserve "performance" for RWD .... OHH... wait. But then we have the S80 listed here ... ugh.
#9742 of 10348 Re: Why No Mention Of The 2009 Acura TL On These Boards? [qbrozen]
Feb 24, 2009 (5:12 pm)
Hmmm... then what is the IS? And what about the TSX?
I'm sorry, but the ES isn't here because it just isn't a mid-lux car. Whether a car is performance oriented, or what wheels are driven doesn't matter. Let's not forget that the A6 is technically available with FWD, but it is still firmly a mid-lux sedan.
Entry-lux means $35-50K. They can overlap somewhat in size with the mid-lux class, usually depending on whether they are built specifically for the North American market. The NA specific cars such as the CTS, TL, and ES tend to be larger than the world market cars. Both the ES and IS are entry level. The TSX is also entry level.
Acura competes in the entry class with two cars, just as Lexus does, but in a different way. The IS is Lexus' entry performance sedan, while the ES is the entry luxury car. Instead of offering engine choices, Acura offers the TSX to compete with cars like the IS250, A4 2.0T, etc. and the TL to compete with the IS350, A4 3.2, etc.
Mid-lux cars range from $45-70K. Every single one except for the RL offers a V8, which is one of the many reasons why the RL has never been more than an also ran. While its true that a vast majority of buyers opt for the V6, you still have to at least offer a V8 if you want to be taken seriously.
#9743 of 10348 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [lexusguy]
Feb 25, 2009 (6:18 am)
Sounds prudent to me. I personally have never used snow tires and I also leave the LS in the garage during bad weather. That is what the LX is for.
That said, I have seen some argue here that the very best set up for snow/ice is rear wheel drive with 4 snow tires. This argument never made much sense to me but it is out there.
#9744 of 10348 Don't forget about
Feb 25, 2009 (6:41 am)
the Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans discussion, which hasn't had a lot of traffic lately. That's where we are covering some of these cars that aren't really in this class.
#9745 of 10348 Re: Looking for used Luxury Sedan [houdini1]
Feb 25, 2009 (7:32 am)
Has anyone attempted to go to a wholesale auction to purchase a car? I have access through a friend and figure that if I find what I want, I could pick something up.