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#9584 of 9978 This is where by marsha7 Mar 27, 2008 (4:56 pm)
your ignorance really shows...for a sharp, powerful, race car, why didn't anyone mention the AMC Gremlin and Pacer???...obviously, you do not know much about performance/luxury cars...   Then again, maybe you do......
#9585 of 9978 BMW by asteinberg Mar 29, 2008 (6:04 pm)
Edmunds forums have been very helpful. Especially CarMan -- between him and the outstanding Internet depart at Pacific BMW in Glendale two years ago, I had a terrific, quick, rewarding on-target, deadline leasing experience. It was also fun learing more about leasing and realizing some errors I had made in past leases. I'm actually considering 535i, because it resolved some key 530i problems (somewhat better NAV w/integrated live traffic; memory buttons for radio and AM-FM-satellite band-switching; voice recognition that actually works). Mileage worse than Lexus GS350 with more value, but lease terms not so great, and BMW has free maintenance (w/brakes!). Still prefer NAV and other user friendly items on Lexus, Infiniti and other alternatives I'm exploring. As long as I can avoid my local dealer here in Calabasas, So Calif, I may give BMW another chance! Questions -- I'm also asking in other discussion groups-- (1) Given the slowness of the auto market, how close to invoice does 530i go? (2) Does BMW offer financing deals, or just leasing deals? (3) Other than premium, sports, comfort access, navigation, sirius satellite radio, does anyone reading this recommend any options ...especially if they are perosonally familiar with them? If I go beyond the above, I must special order: (4) Are head-up display and night vision use mere toys or useful? (Seems odd that night vision visible only in NAV system.) (5) Is rear door side impact airbag safe, or a threat to kids? (6) power rear &manual side sunshades worth the money to keep the kids happy? (7) any other options truly worthwhile and worth the money? (8) Last time, I did 24 mo, cheaper per mo than 36. Now, 36 slightly higher. I still think 24 mo, to save buying 4 costly fun-flat tires. (8a) FINALLY -- does anyone know what the Money Factor will be for 535i for APRIL for 12000, 24mo, 36 mo, and, possibly for 15000. If I go BMW, I could buy/lease Mon/3-31 or wait until Tues/4-1, if MF different. (8b) IF I special order, due to other items, I'd use March MF or June MF, whichever is lower. My guess is June MF would be lower. Thoughts? Replies to this message: carnaught (Mar 29, 2008 6:34 pm) kgary (Mar 30, 2008 3:39 am)
#9586 of 9978 Re: BMW [asteinberg] by carnaught Mar 29, 2008 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: asteinberg (Mar 29, 2008 6:04 pm) Geez, you should consider posting the same message on only one or two boards instead of multiple ones.
#9587 of 9978 Re: BMW [asteinberg] by kgary Mar 30, 2008 (3:39 am)
Replying to: asteinberg (Mar 29, 2008 6:04 pm) Do you studder? Every forum I go to this morning I see the same message All joking aside, I think you should move this post to the 5 series leasing forum, though it is probably there already. Good luck.
#9588 of 9978 Re: E55 AMG [lexusguy] by jpstax1 Apr 03, 2008 (6:29 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 26, 2008 11:14 pm) hey lexusguy-   What do you think of the 2005 Jaguar XJ Series Super V8 sedan? I found this one at the same dealership as the '04 E55 AMG:   http://www.thechicagotoystore.com/detail-2005-jaguar-xj_series-super_v8-2408508.- - html   Be sure to scroll down the page to see its CarFax report and more photos. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on it. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Apr 03, 2008 6:48 am)
#9589 of 9978 Re: E55 AMG [jpstax1] by lexusguy Apr 03, 2008 (6:48 am)
Replying to: jpstax1 (Apr 03, 2008 6:29 am) What do you think of the 2005 Jaguar XJ Series Super V8 sedan? I found this one at the same dealership as the '04 E55 AMG:   That's a great car. The Super V8 is the top of the range XJ, and that car would've cost $90K when new in '05. Unlike the COMAND setup in the E55, the Jag's NAV system is a simple touch screen that works very well. You also get power reclining rear seats and a host of other luxury features that aren't in the E class. The handling won't be quite as good as the E55's but it will be more comfortable, and just as quick. It should also be very reliable, though you may want to get the extended warranty just in case.
#9590 of 9978 Re: E55 AMG [kgary] by palalt Apr 03, 2008 (2:40 pm)
Replying to: kgary (Mar 27, 2008 2:27 pm) Reading these negative comments about Mercedes quality, I can't help but wonder if their purchase of Chrysler backfired. I think people believed Benz would improve Chrysler's quality (known to be among the worst) but maybe the opposite happened, with Chrysler's processes corrupting Benz.   With the high cost of repairs on late model, high line cars, especially German made, I wouldn't think of owning one Off Warranty. Replies to this message: shipo (Apr 03, 2008 5:16 pm)
#9591 of 9978 Re: E55 AMG [palalt] by shipo Apr 03, 2008 (5:16 pm)
Replying to: palalt (Apr 03, 2008 2:40 pm) The sad thing is, even Chrysler quality suffered (as did the content levels of their cars) during the Benz years, maybe even to a greater degree than the hit that momma Mercedes took.   Best Regards, Shipo
#9592 of 9978 2009 Infiniti M50? by rayainsw Apr 11, 2008 (5:32 am)
The FX series has been upgraded for 2009, with both a larger & more powerful V8 and a 7 speed automatic trans.   The estimated 2009 EPA numbers published by Infiniti show a +3 MPG highway improvement for the V8, compared to 2008.   So – my ‘question de jour’: Will Infiniti also upgrade the M45 to an M50? With both the larger V8 ( 390 HP = yum ) ** AND ** the 7 speed automatic trans.???   My largest single issue ( and the primary reason that I did not buy one ) with the M45 was \ is the 5 speed automatic’s gearing. Resulting in generally good acceleration, but ( very ) high RPM at highway cruising speeds – and commensurately low MPG, from all reports.   More HP & TQ would certainly be welcome ( by me ) but the opportunity to allow that very good acceleration combined with significantly improved highway fuel economy would REALLY interest me. The 7 speed’s ratios look like they will allow both.   I see no compelling reason for Infiniti NOT to do this.   Other opinions?   - Ray Ready to move from Sports \ GT car to Sport Sedan . . . Replies to this message: jimbres (Apr 11, 2008 6:07 am) lexusguy (Apr 11, 2008 12:50 pm) 150mphclub (Apr 11, 2008 3:12 pm) lexusguy (Apr 11, 2008 4:30 pm) lovemyclk (Apr 14, 2008 2:13 pm) james27 (Apr 14, 2008 4:15 pm) lexusguy (Apr 14, 2008 7:01 pm) bw45sport (Apr 11, 2008 5:14 pm)
#9593 of 9978 Re: 2009 Infiniti M50? [rayainsw] by jimbres Apr 11, 2008 (6:07 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 11, 2008 5:32 am) Agreed. My hunch (& I'm just speculating here) is that the 7-speed will become more widely available as Nissan ramps up production.

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